Teaser countdown launched on Square Enix website

[fresh fruit for Adol]

You guys are too tough on their games >.< Square Enix has definitely produced some good stuff in the past couple of years.

Maybe good looking stuff, but nothing ever comes close to the likes Brave Fencer Musashi, or Threads of Fate, or even Bahamut Lagoon and Chrono Trigger. If they'd worked on producing stuff with a good story, like War of the Lions, and did something that played like Vagrant Story (Yes, I actually liked the way it played, believe it or not x.x) then I might actually care about some of their newer games. Until that day that'll never happen, I'll only rely on them when it comes to playing the games tri-Ace develops.

 

[Erif]

Oh c'mon. That's entirely your opinion. Just because you think a game is not as good as another game produced, doesn't necessarily mean the game itself is bad. Your preference of the older RPG-Strategy oriented game like WotL is not the only one that counts, you know. Whether you like the game or not, TWEWY had a compelling story that beats Threads of Fate or Chrono Trigger's by a long shot, and the game is F-U-N, while at the same time it's very, very challenging. Kingdom Hearts also has a solid concept that played through, and even though Sora's over-extended speeches about his friends and their hearts were tedious, it was still an awesome game. World's were well-invented features, and, of course, the gameplay was very fun.

Why must a game necessarily have a good story? It almost seemed that games like FFTA2 were purposefully designed to have horrible character development and plot, but they're still fun. That's all that matters, isn't it? The As long as the gamer having a good time playing it, right?

If I remember correctly though, Threads of Fate was some beastly shit.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Oh c'mon. That's entirely your opinion. Just because you think a game is not as good as another game produced, doesn't necessarily mean the game itself is bad. Your preference of the older RPG-Strategy oriented game like WotL is not the only one that counts, you know. Whether you like the game or not, TWEWY had a compelling story that beats Threads of Fate or Chrono Trigger's by a long shot, and the game is F-U-N, while at the same time it's very, very challenging. Kingdom Hearts also has a solid concept that played through, and even though Sora's over-extended speeches about his friends and their hearts were tedious, it was still an awesome game. World's were well-invented features, and, of course, the gameplay was very fun.

Why must a game necessarily have a good story? It almost seemed that games like FFTA2 were purposefully designed to have horrible character development and plot, but they're still fun. That's all that matters, isn't it? The As long as the gamer having a good time playing it, right?

If I remember correctly though, Threads of Fate was some beastly shit.

I never said they were bad, I simply said that they couldn't possibly come close to the older games. Plus, it isn't just necessarily just my preference, it can also be the preference of a handful of other gamers.
While I'll admit KH does have a good concept, and it does have a soul, albeit the soul of a whiny three year old, there's only so much I can enjoy from running around and just mashing X to wail on everything in an action RPG. If it was a hack n' slash, like Sengoku Basara, I'd be okay with it, but not in my RPGs. And I think they could've come up with a better crossover than FF with Disney, cause when you get right down to it, almost everything from Disney sucks.

And I never said that a game didn't have to be fun, I just want some decent story, or some development of the characters to make me feel like I have a reason to keep going on with the story. Neither FFTA or TA2 made me feel like this, which is why I never finished them. It's almost completely unrelated, but the reason I still play Tales is because of the characters it brings to me, cause to be honest, the stories in Tales games are almost always complete shit, with there being three exceptions, which those were fairly decent. It's hard for some people to keep playing a game if they don't have a purpose.

Meh, I liked Threads of Fate. Although I couldn't stand Mint. Rue was cool, cause I liked turning into monsters.

Going back to what I said in an earlier post though, I'll start caring a bit more if they finally decide to make that sequel to Chrono Cross.

 

[surskitty]

Hey, KHI wasn't terrible. It was corny, but it was fairly well put-together and it was fun. ... CoM, KHII, and 358/2 Days, though.... I like that they can sell a game where the plot consists of "Roxas eats ice cream."


I kind of want to know what this is for, but I'm probably not going to care unless I find out that a. it's a remake of FFV and b. it's a remake like FFIVA or FFVA and not like FFI+II: Dawn of Souls or FFIIIDS or FFIVDS. They have a tendency to make really bad remakes.


Also, why would you want a sequel to Chrono Cross or worse, The World Ends with You? Square doesn't have a good track record for sequels.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Also, why would you want a sequel to Chrono Cross or worse, The World Ends with You? Square doesn't have a good track record for sequels.

Hey, I hate TWEWY, so I can't say anything on that... But I actually thought Chrono Cross was a good sequel, however loosely tied to Trigger it may be, and I've been pining for another sequel as much as other fans. it's the exact same deal with Megaman Legends (totally unrelated game and company).

EDIT: The site's for the 4 Warriors of Light Final Fantasy title. Right now there are only pages for an introduction to the game (A brief summary of the story), a list of the main staff, and a message from the director and producer, as well as the specs of the game. It's a 1-4 player DS game due out by the end of this year.

Good to know that Amano's the one doing the artwork, save for Dissidia, Nomura's had some pretty hideous designs recently.

 

[surskitty]

Do remember the last few SE sequels, though. It might've been a good sequel if it was made a while ago, but they still have been doing fairly terribly on the sequel front recently. Particularly for old games.


I hate TWEWY, too, but I bet a sequel to it would be even worse.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

True, but Chrono Cross isn't really that old. It came out right before the PSX died, which is quite a bit of time between Trigger and Cross.

As I've said though, the only real reason I still pay any attention to Squeenix is because they publish tri-Ace's games, save for the new one, Resonance of Fate.

It would be nice to know if their new IP, Blood of Bahamut has any relation to Bahamut Lagoon though... The world and premise is practically the same, so I could see it happening.

 

[surskitty]

Yeah, but think about the FFVII sequels.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

The only things that come to mind with those were a mediocre sequel that I found just a little fun, and an okay prequel that had an extremely annoying level-up mechanic (I don't want my level-ups decided by chance!). I didn't really find either of them 'bad'

 

[surskitty]

Advent Children pretty much ignored all character development in FFVII, and Dirge of Cerberus was just godawful.

... Crisis Core looked kinda cool, though, except for RANDOM GACKT.


ETA: Advent Children IS pretty, though.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Advent Children pretty much ignored all character development in FFVII, and Dirge of Cerberus was just godawful.

... Crisis Core looked kinda cool, though, except for RANDOM GACKT.


ETA: Advent Children IS pretty, though.

Yeah, AC did ignore the character development and... Nah, I don't think I can say anything in defense of it. Just that I have to agree with you on how it looks pretty, and that the fights were insane. They were particularly more insane in AC Complete.

Crisis Core was... Kingdom Hearts, but fun, and without a jump button. It's got an... Okay story, that doesn't tie in too well with VII, but does Zack's death much better than Last Order did. Zack and Cloud's meeting was amusing as well.

I have to tip my hat to Squeenix for making it look like a PS2 game as well. I've only seen three others do so.

 

[surskitty]

The fights in AC were "HELLO, CLOUD, LET'S THROW YOU FOR NO APPARENT REASON". Still pretty, though.

HEY, Kingdom Hearts was totally fun. It just wasn't any good. Huge difference.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

The fights in AC were "HELLO, CLOUD, LET'S THROW YOU FOR NO APPARENT REASON". Still pretty, though.

Exactly why I said they were insane =) Sure they had no real point, but they were fun to watch.

HEY, Kingdom Hearts was totally fun. It just wasn't any good. Huge difference

I said it before, and I'll say it again; there's only so much fun to be had in an RPG where all you do is just mash two buttons.

EDIT: Yeah, more on the game on the website... Final Fantasy Gaiden eh? I figured it was a spin-off. It's about a kid named Brand who, for some reason or another, gets summoned by the King to rescue the Princess, that was captured by the Northern Witch (Witch of the North, I guess? That sounds better).

It's gonna have a sort of 'Job' system, called the 'Crown system' that lets you choose the classes of your characters, and the appearance will change with each armor and weapon equipped. Nice. Not enough RPGs do that. It's supposedly gonna play more traditionally, like the original Final Fantasy, but has some sort of "Charge" command, instead of MP. Maybe the more you charge, the higher level spell you cast?

And up to four friends can join in a party. Huh. Wonder how that'll work.

All this is a little late though, since I just found out that the website's at the time soon to be contents were leaked in last week's Shonen Jump in a scan...

 

[Erif]

I never said they were bad, I simply said that they couldn't possibly come close to the older games. Plus, it isn't just necessarily just my preference, it can also be the preference of a handful of other gamers.
While I'll admit KH does have a good concept, and it does have a soul, albeit the soul of a whiny three year old, there's only so much I can enjoy from running around and just mashing X to wail on everything in an action RPG. If it was a hack n' slash, like Sengoku Basara, I'd be okay with it, but not in my RPGs. And I think they could've come up with a better crossover than FF with Disney, cause when you get right down to it, almost everything from Disney sucks.

And I never said that a game didn't have to be fun, I just want some decent story, or some development of the characters to make me feel like I have a reason to keep going on with the story. Neither FFTA or TA2 made me feel like this, which is why I never finished them. It's almost completely unrelated, but the reason I still play Tales is because of the characters it brings to me, cause to be honest, the stories in Tales games are almost always complete shit, with there being three exceptions, which those were fairly decent. It's hard for some people to keep playing a game if they don't have a purpose.

I don't believe you didn't have any sort of fun time playing Kingdom Hearts. There was much more too the gameplay than button-smashing, I assure you. I think the crossover with Dis and FF was cool, because pretty much all of the worlds were creatively based of of Disney movies and characters, and Mickey can pimp handle you (and what do you mean everything from Disney sucks? And don't say High School Musical; that has nothing to do with gaming at all >.<).

lol, lemme guess; Vesperia, Destiny 2, and Rebirth? I guess you're right, every good game should have somewhat of a decent story, but that's unless the game is fucking non-stop fun. I agree, everything related to plot in TacticsA2 sucks, but that game is so fuggin' addicting, trying to finish every little side-quest and dungeon and then trying to train my team to greatness. It's time-consuming, yet still entertaining.

Hey, KHI wasn't terrible. It was corny, but it was fairly well put-together and it was fun. ... CoM, KHII, and 358/2 Days, though.... I like that they can sell a game where the plot consists of "Roxas eats ice cream."

Also, why would you want a sequel to Chrono Cross or worse, The World Ends with You? Square doesn't have a good track record for sequels.

If anything, the second KH was better than the first, even though Sora can be really annoying at times. And CoM was a nice side-story that cleared up a lot of things. Too bad the card-system was fucking stupid.

Oh, I don't really wants a TWEWY sequel, I just being a fanboy. ;D

Hey, I hate TWEWY, so I can't say anything on that...

I have no fuckin' idea why. :/

HEY, Kingdom Hearts was totally fun. It just wasn't any good. Huge difference.

KH is a really solid game series, definitely "above average,". Sure, it doesn't have the "best" story, so to speak, but it was good nevertheless

EDIT: Yeah, more on the game on the website... Final Fantasy Gaiden eh? I figured it was a spin-off. It's about a kid named Brand who, for some reason or another, gets summoned by the King to rescue the Princess, that was captured by the Northern Witch (Witch of the North, I guess? That sounds better).

It's gonna have a sort of 'Job' system, called the 'Crown system' that lets you choose the classes of your characters, and the appearance will change with each armor and weapon equipped. Nice. Not enough RPGs do that. It's supposedly gonna play more traditionally, like the original Final Fantasy, but has some sort of "Charge" command, instead of MP. Maybe the more you charge, the higher level spell you cast?

Oh great, that story is totally original, guise. I'm hoping SE can an amazing job with character development, because that's a really weak and cliche plotline. But I guess the crown system sounds good...

Edit: Oh shi-! Advent Children is the beastliest and beautifu...lest I've ever seen. :D Those action scenes were intense!

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

lol, lemme guess; Vesperia, Destiny 2, and Rebirth?

Nope, Rebirth is just my favorite, It's more like Hearts, Destiny remake, and Vesperia. Although I've been playing Hearts like a beast again lately, and it's slowly throwing Rebirth from the throne as my favorite... I forgot how awesome, and how well paced it was. 30 hours, and the villain finally gets established. That's not even the halfway point, and it's a DS game... Still, I could never like any game more than Symphony of the Night... That game is just beautiful in every way possible, even for a game that's 12 years old.

Oh great, that story is totally original, guise. I'm hoping SE can an amazing job with character development, because that's a really weak and cliche plotline. But I guess the crown system sounds good...

It's not just a weak and cliche plotline, it's basically a recycled version of the original FF from 20 years ago. Though a series anniversary might be coming up, but even then, I can't blame them for wanting to honor the game that shot their popularity through the roof with something other than just a remake.

I'm kinda hoping its villain will knock you down again xD

Edit: Oh shi-! Advent Children is the beastliest and beautifu...lest I've ever seen. :D Those action scenes were intense!

Multiply the intensity by 10, and you've got Advent Children Complete.

 

[surskitty]

If anything, the second KH was better than the first, even though Sora can be really annoying at times. And CoM was a nice side-story that cleared up a lot of things. Too bad the card-system was fucking stupid.

Wait, what? KHII had better gameplay than KHI, sure, and it had a skip scene button which is wonderful, but it's not put together well at ALL. The only Disney world that actually fit into the game and had any relevance to the plot was Beast's Castle.

KHII also did a wonderful job of shoving Sora into movie plots where he really, really doesn't belong. Land of Dragons had to just be a bad dream, right? Right? Sora didn't REALLY go around collecting MORALE ORBS to rescue Mulan, who had turned into a damsel in distress and later needed to be rescued by Shang, right? ... Right? Please say that didn't actually happen.

I have no fuckin' idea why. :/

Probably because the gameplay's irritating and quite a lot of things involve matching up your fashions. The plot is maybe somewhat okay, but it's not worth the headache from everything else.

KH is a really solid game series, definitely "above average,". Sure, it doesn't have the "best" story, so to speak, but it was good nevertheless

Not really, no. Well, yes, it's above average, but most games are complete crap while KH was actually vaguely decent.

The story of KHI was pretty good, as was Chain of Memories, as both adhered to the rule of "does this section have a point? no? THEN CUT IT OUT" while KHII is mostly filler. KHII also had pretty much no character development for any characters added for it. Gameplay's better, though.

It's fun, it's pretty, and it's still not a good game. Good games are hard to come by.

Oh great, that story is totally original, guise. I'm hoping SE can an amazing job with character development, because that's a really weak and cliche plotline. But I guess the crown system sounds good...

It's Final Fantasy. When exactly did they have an original plot line? They recycle plots and locations and characters and mechanics all the time.

It's not just a weak and cliche plotline, it's basically a recycled version of the original FF from 20 years ago. Though a series anniversary might be coming up, but even then, I can't blame them for wanting to honor the game that shot their popularity through the roof with something other than just a remake.

I'm kinda hoping its villain will knock you down again xD

Final Fantasy only DOES recycled things. See: FFI, FFIII, and FFV; FFIV and FFIX; FFVII and FFX; Cloud, Squall, and Lightning.... Might be fun and kind of awesome, though.

I would love a new Final Fantasy game with a terrible script in that direction rather than FFIVDS.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

If it's got crystals, it's recycled. Easy as that. Two reasons I like FFVIII so much; It's story isn't recycled, and several of the characters can be seen as having some sort of disorder, like Squall, instead of being seen as an ass, can be seen as someone with SPD, since he does display several symptoms throughout the game.

Also:

 

[surskitty]

That's inaccurate. It's the JENOVA experiments there, not Mako! Also does everyone forget that Sephiroth had SEVEN sings, not one...?


FFVIII's story isn't recycled, but that's because it's so incredibly stupid that no one else would do it. TIME COMPRESSION

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

That wasn't really the point or joke of the picture. Plus, I think you're thinking about Bizarro Sephiroth.

Yeah, but VIII's story was more a mere after thought after the characters, and Junction & Draw system, which somehow plays a small part into why none of the characters remember they grew up with each other. Just for the record to point out much the story was just a mere after thought. Ultimecia was really unneeded, but she did serve as a very fun final boss. Apocalypse is the source of most of my tears.

Sorceress Adel should've been the main antagonist though.

 

[surskitty]

No, I'm thinking about Safer/Sepher Sephiroth. He has seven wings. That's the battle where One-Winged Angel plays. Yeah, I'm aware that's not the point, but I am nitpicking and really it's closer than they say because Sephiroth had WINGS not ONE WING up until Advent Children. He had one more wing on one side, though.


If the story was an afterthought, why do you love it for not being recycled? Sure, it's more original than what the rest of the series has done, but it's still stupid.

Magic-induced amnesia, right? Eidolons eat your memories?