The Death Note Club

[Dannichu]

Yeeeah, an Americanized-the-fuck-out-of Death Note is probably going to be pretty annoying. I think the guy who's directing the movie is the same guy who did the remake of The Grudge. It's probably going to end up being a forgettable movie that people go see expecting it to be scary and then get pissed when it isn't. :( Although I guess we'll see when it comes out.

Oh, I really hope they don't market it as a horror movie; it's so, so much more than that (and, well, isn't a horror movie at all, unless you're really freaked out by Ryuk or something o.o).

I thought Wedy was pretty cool (the whole cat burglar "I can break into anything!" archetype is pretty awesome), but we didn't learn a whole lot about her and she was only around for a little while. :[ Same with Aiber.

Oh, me too. I know they were just functional characters, but they had seriously cool functions and I'd have liked to have seen more of them.

Meh, I hardly do any shipping beyond porn seeing a pairing and being like "oh hey that's pretty spiffy" and maybe reading some fanfics that catch my interest; I can see the appeal in it for other people though. And where there are characters, they will be shipped, so I'm not surprised that DN has such a huge shipping fanbase despite the fact that the plot itself is srsbusiness. :V I mean, if people ship the Magic School Bus characters...

Matt/Mello definitely has eyecandy value, I'll say that.

I can understand why people ship D/N characters (aside from "they are in the same frame, ergo they must love one another!" logic), even though it's not a particularly romantic series; L and Light have some pretty serious emotions towards another going on, and because none of the main characters has an actual romantic relationship, it kinda leaves the door open for people to theorise why they don't, and if they did, what it would be like, etc.

Although there's not really any canon evidence for any pairings that I can think of, beyond L and Light's slight obsession with one another (and that's more of a means to an end than an actual interest in the other); you can hardly say that Mello and Matt had any kind of tension besides being in the same frame as one another... Mikami was definitely obsessed with Light, but a relationship built on that would certainly weird me out a little, and I can't ever, in a million years, see Light returning whatever affection Matsuda might or might not have for him (although I had a big awww at the end when Matsuda's-friend-whose-name-escapes-me says "You were quite fond of Light, weren't you?" :3).

And, yes, eyecandy.

 

[Jason-Kun]

And I also hate it when people call him evil, a sociopath, etc. Argh. If anyone's interested, I've got a link to a good analysis of why he ISN'T a sociopath, and it's really awesome (I won't go dig down the link if nobody wants it, 'cause I'm lazy XD).

Oh? Me and most people I know all agree that Light is infact a sociopath. For starters he wanted to become a god. That's a pretty damn socopathic thing to do. There's also the fact that he...killed people for fun and he went all crazy after he got the Death Note. Crazy and evil. Because as we all know power currupts your soul, so yes, Light is infact evil and a sociopath. That is all.

 

[Dragonclaw]

Oh? Me and most people I know all agree that Light is infact a sociopath. For starters he wanted to become a god. That's a pretty damn socopathic thing to do. There's also the fact that he...killed people for fun and he went all crazy after he got the Death Note. Crazy and evil. Because as we all know power currupts your soul, so yes, Light is infact evil and a sociopath. That is all.

I think he was more crazy then evil. Cruel maybe, but not quite complete evil. And for some reason, the first thing that came to me was the angry mad scientist kind of trope/cliche thing, even if he isn't really a scientist.

 

[Minish]

Weeeeell I might have a tiny weakness for one-sided Light/Matsuda (the one-sidedness obviously coming from Matsuda) and I think I read a Misa/Sayu once, but the Big Fandom Pairings like Light/L and Matt/Mello never really appealed to me for some reason.

I think it would've been cool if Near or Mello were a girl, especially since they were supposed to be complete opposites. And everyone I know thought Mello was a girl when they first saw him anyway X3

I guess the thing that annoys me is that every single female character in Death Note is used as a means to an end by a male; Light uses and manipulates Misa, Takada, Rem, Naomi and, apparently, his slew of admiring fans (like the one he went on the bus with when he killed the busjacker), Wedy is used by L and the Detectives, Sayu is used by Mello, the woman whose name escapes me from Near's team who becomes one of Takada's bodyguards is used by Near; I realize there are tons of males who get used and manipulated, too (but not every single one of them), but it's almost always because of misguided loyalty or a desire for power; never because they're hopelessly, irrationally in love.

Mini non-DN-related rant: It really bugs me that cool foreign things have to be Americanised before people en masse can see them. A Tale of Two Sisters, for example, is an absolutely amazing film that absolutely does not need to be remade for any reason.
And it's one thing to remake something in a different language, I guess, if only because some people just have serious issues with subtitles (though you could just dub it rather than remake it), but when companies start making things like The Office (US Version) and Queer as Folk (US Version) it just really gets on my nerves. Heaven forbid people might actually learn something about a culture outside their own!

Light is fantastically interesting and not a sociopath at all; I absolutely adore this analysis because Plato is awesome and I love him:


(from here)

It's deep, man.

I guess it would have been interesting if one of them had been a girl, but I'm glad the four main characters are all the same gender because it means less analysis of their genders and how that affected them and more analysis of their actual personality.

I think bringing Sayu into the whole 'useless females' list thing is a bit unfair. She was used by Mello because she was Light's younger sibling and it brought up a whole new level of tension, rather than because she was female. And I think if Light had had a younger brother rather than a younger sister, it wouldn't have been as interesting. I always wondered how awesome it would have been for the role of Soichiro to be filled by his mum instead, but that's just because I like son/mother relationships explored and yeah, it really would have been unrealistic. XD

Rem was used, but she was also the only Shinigami we saw that was seriously interested in what was going on. Besides, if Rem had been male there would be more people thinking Rem was actually in love with Misa and I like it how only people who are open-minded enough to assume Ohba could have done that bring it up.

Naomi was used but I think she really broke the stereotypes. When Raye said 'You're just my fiancee', I don't think this was said in a sexist way, like 'you're my wife now, and that's all', more like she didn't have to keep talking about his cases. It seemed like he just wanted them to settle down and have a proper relationship rather than her former job getting in the way.

And Misa had to be used. The second Kira had to be in love with Kira completely (I still would have liked it if Misa had gotten more development though, but the same goes for Mikami, so yeah), so it had to be a female character.

Takada was annoying but I think her character shows that she was attracted to the idea of Kira, and finding out that Light, someone she had liked in the past, was Kira, messed up her mind a little bit.

If Mikami had been female as well I'd agree with you on DN being quite sexist, but I think that since there would never be any shounen-ai in DN, love and attraction was going to be involved... and it could have been a whole lot worse.

Sorry, just rambling there, not really good at the whole expressing my point thing. XD

Oh? Me and most people I know all agree that Light is infact a sociopath. For starters he wanted to become a god. That's a pretty damn socopathic thing to do. There's also the fact that he...killed people for fun and he went all crazy after he got the Death Note. Crazy and evil. Because as we all know power currupts your soul, so yes, Light is infact evil and a sociopath. That is all.

Right, now I'll go hunt down the article. There is no way Light is a sociopath.

He didn't kill people for fun. He didn't kill for fun or even for materalistic purposes, like how most people would use the Death Note. He was corrupted because of his idealism - nowhere through Death Note did we ever see him deciding to stop using the Death Note to make the world a better place. The whole manga was basically about nobody being able to make the world a better place through the Death Note, because that just isn't how the world and the human mind works.

Here's the link to the essay on Light not being a sociopath.

 

[Dannichu]

Oooh, that was very interesting. Thank you, Cirrus :)

I personally think that Light isn't a psychopath simply because it's hinted at many times in the manga that anyone would come to ruin should they come across a Death Note.
It relies a lot on human nature; I think the vast, vast majority of people would try out the Death Note should one fall into their hands (because of human curiosity) and, upon discovering the reality of the Note, the knowledge of the sheer power they posess couldn't fail to have some kind of terrible effect on the individual. Either because it's used for personal gain (the Yotsuba company and to an extent Misa) or for a reason that could be considered altruistic (as in the case of Light), I can imagine that most people would continue to use the Note, if only because that kind of power would be impossibly hard to relinquish.
I highly doubt that everyone who found a Death Note would use it as Light did - his intelligence, boredom, arrogance and notion of justice he probably got from his father is a combination that I reckon led him to do what he did, and if any of those factors was missing, he probably wouldn't have done so.

I think it would be endlessly interesting to see what L would have done, had the Death Note come to him. To me, it's not a leap to imagine him doing exactly what Light did; he decrys the Note as something to the effect of "the worst murder weapon in the world" at the end, but it's easy to draw that conclusion after you've seen the devastation and unhappiness that using the Note has cause Light and everyone around him.

Plus, I adore L and Ryuk's interactions X3

 

[Dewgong]

Okay guys about the mattxmello makes no sense oh my god a major character with a minor character WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT CHARACTER ROLES IN PAIRINGS good GOD I SURE DON'T

Matt and Mello actually were pretty close (I guess) in the show so UH SILENCE THANK YOU

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I do sometimes wonder what L would have done with a death note. Also, I haven't really read previous posts, but... I don't think Light was psychotic, I actually kind of liked what he was doing, honestly. In the beginning anyways. I'm pretty certain I would have done the exact same thing with the amount of time and such that he had.

 

[Dragonclaw]

In the second Death Note movie, L rejected the Death Note, which Ryuk says "Really? How boring" and flys off however, I'm not sure if this would still be the same, as he is pretty much being a homage to Near.

 

[Dannichu]

Okay guys about the mattxmello makes no sense oh my god a major character with a minor character WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT CHARACTER ROLES IN PAIRINGS good GOD I SURE DON'T

Matt and Mello actually were pretty close (I guess) in the show so UH SILENCE THANK YOU

I don't mind Matt and Mello, and I can totally understand why people ship them (I'm sure it's easier tomake a relationship between them work than one between L and Light), but they've never appealed to me, probably because I never really noticed Matt, but I have and do ship characters even more minor than Matt in some fandoms (anyone remember Elma and Lucil from FFX? Didn't think so XD).

 

[Minish]

Okay guys about the mattxmello makes no sense oh my god a major character with a minor character WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT CHARACTER ROLES IN PAIRINGS good GOD I SURE DON'T

Matt and Mello actually were pretty close (I guess) in the show so UH SILENCE THANK YOU

I'm not saying Matt and Mello wouldn't work or something.

I mainly just really dislike the fangirls that come out of the series and all they do is ship Matt and Mello. And claim that there was so much tension and romance between them or whatever when Death Note is one of the least romantic manga in the world.

I don't dislike people who think Wammy's house and everything associated with it, I just dislike people who act like it was the most important thing in the manga.

I pretty much dislike the fangirls more than the pairing.

 

[Jason-Kun]

Up until today all of my knowledge of Death Note came from the anime. I found the entire manga in the library. Being the idiot I am however, I grabbed only colume nine and began reading it only to see various differences between it and the anime...I think. I need to go retrieve the other eleven volumes.

 

[spaekle]

So, does anyone else have a copy of How to Read?

I think it's pretty spiffy. Some of the minor characters' likes and dislikes are pretty wtf. "likes insect books, dislikes kids." "likes ceramics, dislikes vegetables." "likes ships in bottles". "likes Anne of Green Gables, dislikes Mello". xD

 

[Dewgong]

Well, truth is, there wasn't much tension and romance between anybody in the show. I do in fact agree about the fangirling, acting like they were the only two characters to ever exist, because they weren't. :|

I have How to Read both English and original versions. Yeah, it's pretty cool.


...Did I kill this thread?

 

[Byrus]

lol sorta bump.... is the bumping rule gone yet? either way i swear to gods i have some meaningful shit to sayyyy

I hate romance in Death Note. It just spoils the atmosphere. IT'S A NO ROMANCE ZONE. Only backstabbing and manipulating bastards allowed I say! >(

Also! Main reason for posting: there apprently is going to be an american version of the death note movie? I thought it was just a rumour. Hmm, they're going kinda crazy on the animé adaptions lately. I'm still wondering whether Akira or Cowboy Bebop are gonna get ruined or not.

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CREEPY

 

[Jason-Kun]

Has anyone found any funny DN fanart? I like this one in particular:

 

[Gakidou]

I am SO joining this club! :D
As for the funny fanart:
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs16/i/2007/137/6/e/Death_Note__Braindead__by_SilentReaper.jpg

 

[Dewgong]

no zac efron for kira

he's ugly

 

[Nope]

zac efron will ruin the death note movie.

also, i have no idea why i haven't joined this already, being the total death note fan i am -^- i'm even trying to make my friend a death note fan. i've already made my bro a death note fan but he just can't get past ep. 23 even when i tell him something exciting is going to happen in ep. 25 D:

also, i made my avvy which is Light. and Light deserve a capital L >:(

fave char is Light, but L is a closse second.

i'd love to see how an american death note movie would look like (but zac efron would need to be banned, of course), no matter if it sucks. i'll just watch it on youtube anyways.

aaand i'm going to order the death note novel from amazon after my math end of the year test :3 can't wait to read it!

 

[Gakidou]

Death Note: Where eating a potato chip becomes the most dramatic thing ever.

My favorite character was somewhere between Light and L...Ryuk is in second.

 

[Dewgong]

I'LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP AND /EAT/ IT

hmm. i'd probably still watch it even if it sucked. the original was pretty cool. also, you'll like the novel, i own some of author's other works. it's wonderful.

haha i had my plot spoiled pretty quick. i asked people in an irc channel and in about two seconds i get "L dies". :(

 

[Dragonclaw]

I still have no idea why people think Zac Efron could possibly be Light. Nothing in common whatsoever. Besides, Light's a better actor then Zac.

My main concern for the movie is the music. The anime had a brilliant soundtrack :o

also, i have no idea why i haven't joined this already, being the total death note fan i am -^- i'm even trying to make my friend a death note fan. i've already made my bro a death note fan but he just can't get past ep. 23 even when i tell him something exciting is going to happen in ep. 25 D:

If your brother watches episode 24 and watches the previews into the next episodes, I guarantee you have spoiled it for him.

*destroys the notebook and makes spirits scream when I write like Mikami*