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[tbh²]

i am currently struggling to not side-eye anyone saying that we shouldn't be putting any brainpower into cultspec tbh, i think if true it's definitionally anti-town
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[tbh²]

i am currently struggling to not side-eye anyone saying that we shouldn't be putting any brainpower into cultspec tbh, i think if true it's definitionally anti-town
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and by my ~cursory google~ i think mafia would be less interested in figuring this out since cult recruiters tend to die when they recruit mafia

 

[Trebek]

i am currently struggling to not side-eye anyone saying that we shouldn't be putting any brainpower into cultspec tbh, i think if true it's definitionally anti-town
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and by my ~cursory google~ i think mafia would be less interested in figuring this out since cult recruiters tend to die when they recruit mafia

yeah, that’s how cult normally operates in ToS from what i remember, although they are labeled vampires in that game

although normally that also comes with a specific town PR built to counter the mechanic, which leaves town free to focus on using lynches to find mafia

 

[Zori]

and by my ~cursory google~ i think mafia would be less interested in figuring this out since cult recruiters tend to die when they recruit mafia

I always thought it was the other way around, that mafia die when they get recruited
maybe that's just ToS speaking

In any case the wincon pretty much says that a mafia exists at least

 

[qenya]

oh, ok, I guess I misunderstood the finer distinction of "scum" vs "mafia". even so, if there is a cult (which I suppose we don't have any reason to believe, if we're treating the immunities as potentially misleading), I don't see what the point would be if it could win alongside town.

so actually maybe not being mentioned in the town wincon is an argument for a cult not existing, and the immunities (or at least RNP's) just being bogus?

 

[Novae]

i am currently struggling to not side-eye anyone saying that we shouldn't be putting any brainpower into cultspec tbh, i think if true it's definitionally anti-town
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I'm strongly of the opinion that it's a large if tbqh

 

[kyeugh]

so actually maybe not being mentioned in the town wincon is an argument for a cult not existing

how so? town doesn't have to eliminate the cult to win, it just has to prevent it from reaching majority in order to not lose. it would be weird if the cult was in the town wincon imo.

 

[tbh²]

yeah, that’s how cult normally operates in ToS from what i remember, although they are labeled vampires in that game

I always thought it was the other way around, that mafia die when they get recruited
maybe that's just ToS speaking

round 1. fight!
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[tbh²]

I'm strongly of the opinion that it's a large if tbqh

agree with you
but idk what else there is to talk about right now
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[Novae]

I'm strongly of the opinion that it's a large if tbqh

agree with you
but idk what else there is to talk about right now
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who scum

 

[Novae]

oh for what it's worth

RNP is my top town rn

 

[kyeugh]

RNP is my top town rn

how come?
i think trebek is mine tbh.

 

[qenya]

so actually maybe not being mentioned in the town wincon is an argument for a cult not existing

how so? town doesn't have to eliminate the cult to win, it just has to prevent it from reaching majority in order to not lose. it would be weird if the cult was in the town wincon imo.

because in that situation, the cult's wincon wouldn't just be "reach majority", it would be "reach majority before the town eliminate the mafia", which is... kinda arbitrary, and also allows the cult to be harmed by bad play from the mafia

I may be overthinking this but I don't see how it makes sense (in mafia games in general, not just this one) for town to win when not all antitown factions have been eliminated

 

[Novae]

RNP is my top town rn

how come?
i think trebek is mine tbh.

well I messed up something mechanically that makes it slightly weaker

but I don't think his role is a wolf one and I also don't think it's faked

 

[tbh²]

I may be overthinking this but I don't see how it makes sense (in mafia games in general, not just this one) for town to win when not all antitown factions have been eliminated

i might not be following, but doesn't town just simply ... win when all mafia are down?
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[Trebek]

yeah, that’s how cult normally operates in ToS from what i remember, although they are labeled vampires in that game

I always thought it was the other way around, that mafia die when they get recruited
maybe that's just ToS speaking

round 1. fight!
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maybe i’m wrong tbhtbh i always tried to avoid playing in setups with vampires

 

[Trebek]

I may be overthinking this but I don't see how it makes sense (in mafia games in general, not just this one) for town to win when not all antitown factions have been eliminated

i might not be following, but doesn't town just simply ... win when all mafia are down?
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i think what koko is saying is that “win when all mafia are eliminated” doesn’t capture the full scope of what town needs to do if there is also a cult that can win before all mafia are eliminated

 

[Zori]

maybe i’m wrong tbhtbh i always tried to avoid playing in setups with vampires

same but occasionally they crop up in all any

 

[kyeugh]

because in that situation, the cult's wincon wouldn't just be "reach majority", it would be "reach majority before the town eliminate the mafia", which is... kinda arbitrary, and also allows the cult to be harmed by bad play from the mafia

I may be overthinking this but I don't see how it makes sense (in mafia games in general, not just this one) for town to win when not all antitown factions have been eliminated

i mean, that just comes down to "achieve your win condition before the game ends," which i think is implicit for every possible win condition.

town and mafia are diametrically opposed because town can ONLY win when the mafia are gone, and mafia can ONLY win by killing townies, but that's not the case with the cult. they're only "anti-town" insofar as that their win condition is at odds with town's, since it ends the game and prevents a town victory; but they don't have to achieve that by harming/killing town since the mechanism by which they approach majority is constructive (induction), not destructive (killing).

 

[qenya]

I may be overthinking this

inb4 "you always overthink things"

I may be overthinking this but I don't see how it makes sense (in mafia games in general, not just this one) for town to win when not all antitown factions have been eliminated

i might not be following, but doesn't town just simply ... win when all mafia are down?
-m

i think what koko is saying is that “win when all mafia are eliminated” doesn’t capture the full scope of what town needs to do if there is also a cult that can win before all mafia are eliminated

yes, this, and also it's unfair on the cult if poor play from the mafia harms their chance of winning (by reducing the amount of time they have in which to reach a majority)