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2001/9/11 Tribute

Personally I find it insulting when in face of any matter of death and destruction that people say oh well and you should move on. If you've moved on good for you, but you shouldn't press your thoughts on others. Humanity moves on, that's what humans are good at, surviving and moving forward, but accept that some need more time than others to move on. Personally I think it rude and insensitive.

To answer what Pwnemon continues to ask, I did not have a moment of silence, but I remembered and went on with my day. I believe the past shouldn't control us, show respect, but do not dwell on evil deeds, because then you end up like a lot of others, brewing hatred that need not be neccessary.
 
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I dunno, I thought almost a decade was probably long enough. There is still reason to be sad for some people, but there's no reason to expect that everyone else should have to stop their lives to grieve for something they have already moved on from. Personally, I think all of this 'significance' placed on 9/11 is just another way for the US to assert that they're more important than everyone else, that their citizens' deaths are more worthy of grievance than others. (Like Darfur, giving Watershed's example.)

(inb4 'you've never lost anyone important to you!': I have no living grandparents. They all died before I was ten.)
 
To everyone, especially Pwnemon: have you ever lost anyone close to you? I have. My family has. And you know what? There was a lot of publicity about it. We had to fight to keep it private. We're still fighting to keep it private, in fact. I can't even begin to imagine how awful it would be if I'd lost someone on the 11th of September and had to see, every year, the entire country get caught up in something that is fundamentally private. If I were in that situation, I'd see the fuss made over a simple date every year as immensely disrespectful. And I'm not just saying that: I know. I have been in a comparable situation.

If you haven't, quite frankly, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Stop trying to speak on behalf of the people who lost someone close to them.
 
Originally, as an American, I was about to side with Charizard2K (nice name :D) and prob start a flame war, but then I read their posts... and they're right. When we start crying that just shows they win. That was their plan, to shake us up and try to make us a mockery; to kill innocent Americans isn't just something to shake it off though, we should still remember their lost lives and respect them, but at the same time stand strong. And I would say we should fight back but, we already have. So, just drop it. It's close to ten years ago now. Still.... uhhh.... I'm just going to go neutral for this argument. :unsure:
 
Well, December 7, 1941 is a day that will forever live in infamy, and unlike 9/11 not as many people got hurt and it wasn't smack-dab in a major, inland, city. So I think we will still be like "Oh, its the day the Twin Towers went down in NYC." on September 11, 2061.
 
Speaking of December 7. I saw a marching band show earlier this year that was based around the Pearl Harbor attack and nobody seemed to be in utter outrage (although I was personally bewildered), so.
 
Well, I just had to look up what happened on the 7th of December 1941, so I don't think it's as universally remembered as you'd think. That said, a) I'm rubbish at history, and b) I think it could be a case of America thinking itself the centre of the world again.
 
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That said, a) I'm rubbish at history, and b) I think it could be a case of America thinking itself the centre of the world again.
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Well I mean given that people who remember Pearl Harbor are /in/ America they kind of think it's a pretty big deal. At least, some people do. We Americans really do tend to think that things are much bigger than they actually are though

(that's one of the numerous things I hate about this country)
 
Well, one of the reasons 9/11 will be more remembered than Pearl Harbor was that it was a more international incident. The World Trade Center was called that for a reason.
 
Dannichu said:
Well, I just had to look up what happened on the 7th of December 1941, so I don't think it's as universally remembered as you'd think. That said, a) I'm rubbish at history, and b) I think it could be a case of America thinking itself the centre of the world again.
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Yeah I had no idea what that date was either and I'm American (at least partly so! I'm an American citizen anyhow). And uhh I obviously knew about Pearl Harbour I just didn't realize the date or anything.

Tbh thinking 'this is the single most important event in history' is common for people who live through that event, but people who don't will look back and well, not think that. Because obviously the most important event in history will be something those people are going to live through. (Both Pearl Harbour and 9/11 can't be the most important!) Or alternatively, just something that person is biased towards - for me, WWII is the most impact-full event of this kind, for bias reasons. And I'm pretty sure that's how most people react. :v

(I had a really long rant here but I'll spare you all.) Basically uh - well - yep.
 
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Yeah I had no idea what that date was either and I'm American (at least partly so! I'm an American citizen anyhow). And uhh I obviously knew about Pearl Harbour I just didn't realize the date or anything.

Tbh thinking 'this is the single most important event in history' is common for people who live through that event, but people who don't will look back and well, not think that. Because obviously the most important event in history will be something those people are going to live through. (Both Pearl Harbour and 9/11 can't be the most important!) Or alternatively, just something that person is biased towards - for me, WWII is the most impact-full event of this kind, for bias reasons. And I'm pretty sure that's how most people react. :v

(I had a really long rant here but I'll spare you all.) Basically uh - well - yep.
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I assume you're a Jew, then?
 
They're a funny lot, Jews. My girlfriend is actually Jewish and they know Israeli people and shit - it's kind of strange when you weren't raised anything like I was. Most of them also seem to regard WW2 as the turning point for mankind, particularly because the Jews got slaughtered in that one, but then they defend Israel like a motherfucker because apparently Arabs suck cock. Or some shit.

Also I hear you lot don't understand your own prayers. I find it very funny.

Also they have good food and I eat hoummous every time I'm at my gf's place.
 
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They're a funny lot, Jews. My girlfriend is actually Jewish and they know Israeli people and shit - it's kind of strange when you weren't raised anything like I was. Most of them also seem to regard WW2 as the turning point for mankind, particularly because the Jews got slaughtered in that one, but then they defend Israel like a motherfucker because apparently Arabs suck cock. Or some shit.

Also I hear you lot don't understand your own prayers. I find it very funny.

Also they have good food and I eat hoummous every time I'm at my gf's place.
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Okay man you're sorta creeping me out. :v This really isn't a thread about me or Jews. (Also any Jew who actively prays and has no idea what they're saying is an idiot.)
 
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