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Abortion
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Dannichu
Tragically unbeyachted.
I think "birth" is a bad place to draw the line, though. A baby can survive outside the womb (and not be seriously damaged) from something like 24 weeks. I feel very uncomfortable about babies being aborted at full-term because they are concious, can feel pain and can survive outside the body, and if a woman has been pregnant for six months and not done anything about it, it's a little... late.
Not Meowth
Cat, are you drilling?
As has been mentioned, no form of birth control on earth is ever 100% effective. (Though using it is a step in the right direction.) Plus why deny a woman an abortion as "punishment" for having sex without taking precautions? It'd be punishing the unborn child as well not to allow her an abortion; if she wasn't responsible enough to use a condom (if it wasn't an accident) she can hardly be expected to be prepared to raise the child. Which means the baby will probably be neglected, abused, abandoned, put into care, or possibly left in the traditional basket on the doorstep :3
Abortion should ideally be in the interests of both the mother and the child. But pro-lifers argue how abortion is muder because they're destroying the potential life of the fetus; however the birth could potentially ruin the actual life of the mother =)
Scizor King
I liked Scizor before Scizor was cool
Well, maybe I didn't word that properly. If a baby is aborted, but, after being removed, is alive, it should obviously be taken care of, and, if necessary, medicated so it can fully developed. But it should still be the mother's choice, even after those six months have passed. The limit shouldn't be definitively set at six months, since complications could occur, and the child might only live for a few years, in pain and suffering. If that's the case, the mother should be able to have the abortion.
It's people like you that make me doubt the intelligence of the human race.
First of all, your first "equation" is just cruel. The parents would be stuck with an unwanted child, while said child would be born into a life of being abused and unwanted. Also, there's always self-abortion, which can cause problems with the mother's health, possibly death. Deny people abortions because they didn't use birth control, they'll try other things.
Secondly, condoms can break. The pill doesn't always work. There's always a chance of pregnancy.
Lastly, we don't need to know that you're in eighth grade, or that you watch television. Your not funny.
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Not Meowth
Cat, are you drilling?
I was under the impression the general idea of an abortion was that the baby dies.
Scizor King
I liked Scizor before Scizor was cool
And I was under the impression that people can screw up. I guess I was wrong. The abortion could fail. There's plenty of so-called "specialists" doing illegal abortions after the set limit (six months in the US, not sure in other places) has passed, and the fetus could possibly live afterwards, though from what I understand it doesn't happen very often.
Dark Shocktail
Millachinchilla
To be honest, the only time I get fired up or emotional about an unborn baby dying is if the parents wanted to keep it, and something went wrong. If the mother has a miscarriage, that's sad and upsetting. If the mother gets stabbed or attacked and loses the baby, then that's wrong and upsetting. If she chooses to have an abortion, then that's alright because it's her choice and the baby would have a bad childhood because it wasn't wanted.
If you would kindly point out a situation where this happened, that would be wonderful.
Vladimir Putin's LJ
your blood flows through my veins
And where's the foetus gonna gestate- you gonna keep it in a box?!
Dewgong
babababa
Dannichu
Tragically unbeyachted.
While I agree that a woman who doesn't use protection/used protection and it failed doesn't deserve to be obligated to raise the kid for 16/18/whatever years, I agree fully that if a reasonable time pariod has been set for viability and she is pregnant and hasn't had an abortion by the time that date rolls around, it's her own damn fault.
And the "but it's okay if there's something wrong with the kid!" annoys me no end because "wrong" is so, so vague. Is it okay to terminate a viable baby because it's missing its legs? How about a few toes? What if it's the "wrong" gender? Iirc, a woman was alloed to terminate at full term because her kid was going to be born with a hare lip, which is almost entirely superficial and can easily be fixed through surgey.
The above paragraph is more about discrimnation against disabled people than abortion. :/
And the "but it's okay if there's something wrong with the kid!" annoys me no end because "wrong" is so, so vague. Is it okay to terminate a viable baby because it's missing its legs? How about a few toes? What if it's the "wrong" gender? Iirc, a woman was alloed to terminate at full term because her kid was going to be born with a hare lip, which is almost entirely superficial and can easily be fixed through surgey.
The above paragraph is more about discrimnation against disabled people than abortion. :/
So your solution is to punish her with the responsibility of a kid?
Dannichu
Tragically unbeyachted.
Yes. 24 weeks is long enough to figure out whether you want to keep the kid or not, and (in the UK at least) less than 1.5% of women who have abortions have them after 20 weeks. At 24 weeks, the kid can survive outside of the mother, and while I don't agree that a clump of cells should have the same rights as a living human being, if a baby (in or out of the mother) is at the point of vitality, killing it is cruel.
Dannichu
Tragically unbeyachted.
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Minka_Glameow said:
You realise there are people in this world, having sex right now who have never had sufficient sexual education and don't even know what contraception is? But hey, they should be punished for not knowing - let's give them a baby to think about their troubles.
Do you know of any teens would be able to raise an unwanted child? Would you be able to? Abortion should be available to anyone, not just people who were raped or their contraception failed.
It's pretty obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Not Meowth
Cat, are you drilling?
I wondered how far this topic'd go before someone posted that. XD
The :3 referred only to the on-doorstep-in-basket-leaving due to the slightly ironic sense in which I meant it. The rest is horrid.
Dark Shocktail
Millachinchilla
Not Meowth
Cat, are you drilling?
I believe Cleese was referring to a cardboard box. Well, he can only have been, there were no incubators in 1st-century Judea. So, your argument against Life of Brian doesn't really stand up. Just flops right over really.
We're not normal. XD