Cats (2019) Mafia

[mewtini]

i was just thinking wtf that is so weird ajldghfjhldf

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

there wasn't a regular cop in that game

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

ah yeah, ninja'd

 

[mewtini]

yeah, sorry about that!
anyway i think the other stuff, like what i just mentioned in 2116, still stands regardless

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

you know in the (less than likely) event that Herbe is lynched and flips town, at least then we can reasonably assume Emmy is mafia

 

[mewtini]

at least then we wouldn't have an outed cop on d2 tbh.

plot twist there's only a town rolecop in this game and we all get played

 

[Trebek]

just woke up, will reread the stuff i missed a few times to make sure it sinks in, but so far it’s making me more confident in the herbe train than i was last night.

Also just my 2c, I've never seen alien assistant before, and in a game starting with only 10 people who couldn't win with mafia, it does seem weird for there to be two third parties there. Like, there'd be only 8 townies of 14.

I do agree that the possibility popping up for Trebek is mildly solve-y seeming.

Alien assistant, on the other hand, was a role that I made up wholesale for TV Tropes Mafia 1.0. I have not seen it in any other game. It’s not impossible that Jack could have used it here, I guess, but to be clear, my defense of Bluwii’s alien speculation is absolutely not based on him being alien assistant.

well. now i feel silly :p

 

[rari_teh]

i think we need to be wary of actually suspecting him just because "his play could be NAI" and because we're scared of his wolf game, especially when consensus has been that he's playing exactly as he did in tvtropes. on my gut/due to some subtleties of his tone i feel like he's probably just town and i think he could be doing far less in terms of giving insight, etc, and still be just as towny-looking

like has he actually done anything that makes him look worse than others, aside from play a game that could hypothetically be similar to a playstyle that apparently none of us know about? idk. i don't think i ever vote keldeo today and i don't really want him to be the first step in a process of elimination/PoE when he's immensely useful as town and, in particular, when i don't actually scumread him above other people yet

my sincere thoughts are that, bar something mad happening, we should just let keldeo be for the time being and only deeply scrutinize him if we get to a point where everybody else is improbable to be mafia
i reckon this kend of strategy may be risky, but it’s the best i could come up with tbh

I kind of see what you were saying about Superjolt's EOD1, mewtini. It seems he asked a lot of people about what he should look at / said he would look into things, but never really gave thoughts, even though it seemed like he had time. I know he wasn't caught up, but I guess I'd expect more engagement or something?

methinks that superjolt leaving the game due to meatspace requirements more than explains his lack of segue on eod

coming soon, in this very thread, my herbe longpost

 

[mewtini]

that's where i am on keldeo as well, yeah

also yeah i think the superjolt slot just has to get reevaluated as mist starts talking more tbh

 

[Novae]

meatspace?

 

[mewtini]

meatspace?

in real life

 

[Novae]

meatspace?

in real life

i guessed but now I would like to know where that concept comes from

 

[rari_teh]

wrt herbe i really don’t think that wolf!he would claim at that point? i feel like this entire wagon is too flimsy to be secure and it just exists because ultracool having 8 votes on him at the same time and nobody really caring screams town
cop or not, emmy is most likely town because nobody counterclaimed skimbleshanks – if fakeclaimed this would only be possible if a) real skimbleshanks doesn’t want to counterclaim for some obscure reason or b) mawile, seshas or myuma is real skimbleshanks (which has a relatively low chance of 15%)

which brings us to this brilliant idea that we somehow let die

tbh, this is why i shouldnt post while tired. i was lowkey forgetting about the fact that him being scum doesnt show up in any mechanical tells, so my previous thoughts about giving him another check are sorta moot lmao. outside of maybe having emmy check him? (which we could theoretically do just since i really dont think the two of them are w/w)

imho our best solution here would be let herbe live and have @IndigoEmmy and @Herbe check each other toNight. if they’re v/v, which i think is likely, it’ll check out and both will be mechcleared forever more. if something doesn’t check out, herbe is likely to be the wolf and our best lynch candidate for toMorrow.

that being said, the already cited fact that the ultracool wagon grew to eight people without people noticing and nobody really came to his defense makes me worry that both wagons are v/v, which is highly troubling
i’m not hopping off coolwagon as of yet because herbe pings more town to me than ultracool, but i’m def worried and would love to see another wagon

 

[rari_teh]

meatspace?

in real life

i guessed but now I would like to know where that concept comes from

’tis the natural artificial antithesis to cyberspace

 

[rari_teh]

which has a relatively low chance of 15%

provided emmy fakeclaimed skimbleshanks, that is

 

[mewtini]

i think herbe is more likely to be mafia than mr. uc is, just by virtue of the ultracool wagon buildup honestly. and then the other stuff/shading as a bonus.
i might be confbiasing myself into this now that i've slept on it, but his claim feels less believable to me than emmy's does, and i think exactly one of them is scum, right? so we could heal emmy and hope that that checks out, but then we need another suspect and i don't want to lynch ultracool given The Wagon.

 

[Novae]

mewt can you walk me through exactly what made your herbe read change

because you believed them pretty strongly and thought they were town yesterday

 

[Keldeo]

Rari, can you explain more why you don’t feel Herbe would have claimed as mafia in that spot? What do you think Mr. Ultracool’s partners were doing re: that wagon if he was mafia?

Mist, where do you come down on Herbe and Ultracool yourself?

 

[mewtini]

mewt can you walk me through exactly what made your herbe read change

i thought his claim felt genuine enough on first read, and i didn't fully consider the fact that the initial setup was for 14 people/the ramifications of having a town rolecop + cop (specifically that i wasn't thinking about it in terms of 'is it emmy or is it herbe'). i didn't really put it together until talking through it with keldeo, not sure if you've seen that. my longposting from page 100ish was me going over yesterday's posts - including the roleclaims - after i'd only really skimmed them during the day, so my thoughts there are a lot closer to my actual thinking on deepread than what i'd said earlier while flitting in and out

i think i'm just not expressing myself very well atm

i'm saying that if herbe thought all cops needed to counterclaim, then claiming against cop!emmy wouldn't be shading her, it would just be doing what he thought was like, the correct play
i don't think mafia needs to go out on a limb like this to discredit emmy when they can just nightkill her, so i don't see why herbe wouldn't just wait to claim later unless he thought he was supposed to counterclaim

Well, if she's town, they couldn't be sure of nightkilling her right now since there could be a doctor around, right? That, to me, provides the missing reasoning behind mafia Herbe's claim.

oh i'm a fool.

and then i realized that it wouldn't be literally pointless for w!herbe to try to discredit emmy, and i'm not sure i see a town agenda to "healers should decide between healing me or emmy" when there's not really a reason to just direct heals to the stronger cop. this also is reliant on me being pretty sure that emmy is cop by her breadcrumbing though, and that everything i complained about with respect to her playstyle earlier on is explained away by her claim

 

[mewtini]

so the way i see it emmy is always villa, and he shaded her quite a lot (and imo should have just not made that heal comment) if he's also villa
hearing that rolecop isn't role-indicative gave me pause also and even though i think the claim was made at a normal enough time if we say that herbe assumed that a cop ctrclaim necessitated rolecop, the rest of it still is kinda meh