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Cats (2019) Mafia

oh yeah the other big thing about keldeo is that i think there’s pretty much no way all the active players are town and i’m basically certain me/mewt/rari/bfree are, and feel pretty good about vm/tofu, so it’s making me sideye him a bit.
 
Keldeo said:
I'm also here and catching up! It turns out "not playing mafia for a few hours" is an effective home remedy for mild headaches :p

re: posts on this page, @kyeugh @kokorico and also @Butterfree iirc - is there something specific I've done that you have an issue with, or is it more like, I've just not done enough for you to townread me and you're scared of my mafia game? If it's the latter, I guess that's fair (if a little frustrating lol) but if it's the former, I'd like to address it.
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Catching up. I don't believe I made any mention of you on this page - you're still in my "you sound very town, but in the same sort of way you sound very town when you're mafia and hence I don't really trust you" category. Honestly I don't think I'm going to be able to attempt to sort you until later in the game when there's more information than your general in-thread behaviour, so I've kind of put you aside for the moment.
 
Herbethoughts...

Just thinking about how this was originally a 14 player set up, I have a very hard time believing there could be a role cop AND regular cop on the town side of things, especially in the meta that JackPK would be accustomed to playing

This would leave me to believe that either Emmy or Herbe must be mafia, and given the little breadcrumbs of foreshadowing that Butterfree pointed out, I’m more inclined to believe Emmy. There is that, and I just don't believe that a role cop in this game would likely be town-aligned.

There is the argument that he wouldn't make the claim as a mafia-aligned player, knowing that we'd immediately be suspicious of a role cop, but then again I'm sure that was going to be his excuse in the first place. It seems to me like the goal of mafia!Herbe claiming would be to cast doubt on Emmy and draw away the healers.

I also think that it's quite possible there is a mafia role cop among the scum team that is just feeding Herbe information, and Herbe was chosen to stick his neck out because his role is more expendable... remember that there are 2 vanilla mafia in this game. I don't really have any evidence to support this theory but if I were part of the mafia it's what I'd suggest doing.

While I still feel like Ultracool is mafia, I think there's a bit more evidence against Herbe at this point, and I'm okay with a wagon shift for science.
 
Keldeo said:
Oh, oops, I missed Mist. They should also be in that bracketed group, except maybe not because I don't want to vote them out the day they subbed in.
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do you want s7g1? because that's how you get s7g1

(context: I subbed into a scum slot at 8v2 that was about to get policy lynched for being inactive, then proceeded to endgame as scum)
 
Keldeo said:
Sorry, I don't understand your questions? What I'm saying is that Herbe could be a mafia role cop, where laying down breadcrumbs to Butterfree that he knew her role was fishing brother would demonstrate to her that he was indeed a role cop. So then (with Emmy being town in this world), after the call for counterclaims, he sees the opportunity to truthfully claim his role, while allowing him to cast doubt on the real town cop.

btw why is it called fishing brothers... is the implication that the guys who give out fishing rods in Pokemon are capable of killing
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Story: the fishing brothers role, like the alien role, came from the Nordic International Mathematical Olympiad teams, who first taught me to play mafia; I didn’t make up any of this, it’s all them

Where I’m at I’m intrigued by Keldeo’s thoughts on Herbe, hmmm.
 
Keldeo said:
Also just my 2c, I've never seen alien assistant before, and in a game starting with only 10 people who couldn't win with mafia, it does seem weird for there to be two third parties there. Like, there'd be only 8 townies of 14.

I do agree that the possibility popping up for Trebek is mildly solve-y seeming.
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Alien assistant, on the other hand, was a role that I made up wholesale for TV Tropes Mafia 1.0. I have not seen it in any other game. It’s not impossible that Jack could have used it here, I guess, but to be clear, my defense of Bluwii’s alien speculation is absolutely not based on him being alien assistant.
 
Mist1422 said:
I'm not fully convinced on Herbe being scum, I think a town rolecop makes sense in a setup that's primarily PRs
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this is also my big reservation. that the game was literally set up to be 100% power roles if it only hit minimum capacity
 
VM/kyeugh 1270
kyeugh/ultracool 1299
VM/ultracool 1326
mewtini/ultracool 1327
mewtini/unvote 1340
mewtini/kyeugh 1357
mewtini/unvote 1359
rnp/kyeugh 1453
mewtini/emmy 1472
trebek/emmy 1473
rari/emmy 1482
herbe/emmy 1489
keldeo/ultracool 1567
tofu/ultracool 1604
emmy/ultracool 1612
ultracool/emmy 1614
herbe/unvote 1653
blu/emmy 1717
rari/ultracool 1730
kyeugh/tofu 1732
emmy/tofu 1634
trebek/ultracool 1736
blu/tofu 1747
mewtini/tofu 1797
trebek/tofu 1876
ultracool/unvote 1884
herbe/ultracool 1886
rnp/emmy 1926
trebek/ultracool 1927
kyeugh/ultracool 1939
mewtini/ultracool 1941
ils/blu 1996
keldeo/herbe 2056
mewtini/herbe 2059
trebek/herbe 2084
blu/unvote 2095
VM/herbe 2104
herbe (4): keldeo, mewt, trebek, vm
ultracool (4): tofu, rari, herbe, skylar
tofu (1): emmy
blu (1): ils
 
yeah i think i agree tbh.
Vipera Magnifica said:
There is the argument that he wouldn't make the claim as a mafia-aligned player, knowing that we'd immediately be suspicious of a role cop, but then again I'm sure that was going to be his excuse in the first place. It seems to me like the goal of mafia!Herbe claiming would be to cast doubt on Emmy and draw away the healers.
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vm phrasing it like this makes me a bit less hedgey about voting herbe tbh and thinking about it in a 14-player setup is a bit much even with a mafia godfather/some wolf that inspects green
i feel kind of bad though because whenever herbe reappears there's like, p much nothing he'll be able to do to change his wagon's mind i feel like, based on this argument lol
 
unsure what to make of that game's setup looking kind of mafia-skewed though? ugh
 
mewtini said:
unsure what to make of that game's setup looking kind of mafia-skewed though? ugh
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which would make it a bit different to have a cop + rcop both on town there. the town/scum ratio was super high and mafia still won
the coinflip heal comment is still weird when the healers aren't known and when rcop is weaker than alignment cop. also the below quote seems to imply that, because having rcop + cop is OP, there can be only one of those on the town side. and like. it sure as hell isn't the rcop.

Herbe said:
Idk if trusting emmy is the mechanically safe option because a rolecop and a cop in the same game gives me pause. like, what the hell does the mafia have to balance out this situation? something scary I think.
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Actually even if one of my main assumptions for suspecting Herbe turned out to be wrong, it doesn't mean that the other reasons for suspecting him are wrong as well. Back on the Herbe wagon I go.

mewtini said:
mewtini said:
the town/scum ratio was super high
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sorry, *scum/town ratio was high and mafia still won with the double cops on town's side
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Double cops? I see only one rcop
 
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