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Cats (2019) Mafia

Oh, Tofu/Emmy are just there as the current wagons that I very much do not want to vote for. (counting Emmy as technically a wagon since I think RNP's vote is still on her)

I would say rolecops are just not clearing - they're not like, actively mafia-indicative imo, or if they are it's just barely. This is me speaking from a broader view, I'm not super knowledgable about the old TCoDf meta, which seems to be where Jack was coming from with this setup given the fishing brothers.

Honestly, what I should be doing if I'm channeling Eifie is either hard defending Mr. Ultracool or hard going after him, and I bet Eifie would do the former because of the wagon formation, but I feel like being Keldeo and hedging on him. 😎
 
where rolecops seem to slightly at least indicate mafia ... ?
i think i'm maybe also reading a lot into his fishing brothers question tbh.
 
urrrrrgh, idk how i feel about herbe voting. i mean obviously part of it is the fact that im not scumreading him quite as much as the two of you are - and its also probably me underestimating the power of non-mech play. i just am not sure what herbe could do between now and EoD to sway peoples opinions one way or another. idk, im sort of rambling, but i would want herbe to make one more check and make a decision based off of that

this is most likely also just me being much more used to the idea of town aligned rolecops being commonplace
 
where rolecops seem to slightly at least indicate mafia ... ?
i think i'm maybe also reading a lot into his fishing brothers question tbh.
You're talking about his question to Butterfree about whether the extra n1 kill was a result of the fishing brothers, right? I guess I could see it as role fishing since a "yes" answer would indicate that exactly Seshas had been the other one - but eh, I think it could be genuine. It doesn't move the needle a lot for me.
 
I guess I could see it as role fishing since a "yes" answer would indicate that exactly Seshas had been the other one
er, or mawile, right

yeah that's fair. it's not WHY i'm voting him, i think it's just one of the things standing out to me (where the main thing is his interaction with emmy)
 
urrrrrgh, idk how i feel about herbe voting. i mean obviously part of it is the fact that im not scumreading him quite as much as the two of you are - and its also probably me underestimating the power of non-mech play. i just am not sure what herbe could do between now and EoD to sway peoples opinions one way or another. idk, im sort of rambling, but i would want herbe to make one more check and make a decision based off of that

this is most likely also just me being much more used to the idea of town aligned rolecops being commonplace
Can you talk about how you would make this decision? I don't really think he's lying about his role no matter what.

Also, what I would like Herbe to do is react :O Maybe he has a perfectly fine explanation for that heal flip post I found weird.
 
I guess I could see it as role fishing since a "yes" answer would indicate that exactly Seshas had been the other one
er, or mawile, right

yeah that's fair. it's not WHY i'm voting him, i think it's just one of the things standing out to me (where the main thing is his interaction with emmy)
I'm probably just misunderstanding the role, but wouldn't Mawile being the other bro mean that Butterfree would have to kill someone that night?
 
oh sorry, i missed that part. thought it was just a oneshot vig after the fishing bro dies
 
ok now that i think about what would have actually had to have happened, my point is insignificant, whoops :p i was theorizing about like, mafia trying to block a vigkill, because i kept thinking that a fishing bro pair would have 2 kills. not 1 like it actually is
 
urrrrrgh, idk how i feel about herbe voting. i mean obviously part of it is the fact that im not scumreading him quite as much as the two of you are - and its also probably me underestimating the power of non-mech play. i just am not sure what herbe could do between now and EoD to sway peoples opinions one way or another. idk, im sort of rambling, but i would want herbe to make one more check and make a decision based off of that

this is most likely also just me being much more used to the idea of town aligned rolecops being commonplace
Can you talk about how you would make this decision? I don't really think he's lying about his role no matter what.

Also, what I would like Herbe to do is react :O Maybe he has a perfectly fine explanation for that heal flip post I found weird.
tbh, this is why i shouldnt post while tired. i was lowkey forgetting about the fact that him being scum doesnt show up in any mechanical tells, so my previous thoughts about giving him another check are sorta moot lmao. outside of maybe having emmy check him? (which we could theoretically do just since i really dont think the two of them are w/w)

this brings something up that i hadnt thought about earlier. If herbe is mafia and emmy is town, then he would have no reason to believe that she isnt a cop, which then would beg the question: why would he claim in the face of a potential cop when he himself admitted that people could read into it as a scummy claim? idk, something to think about
 
If herbe is mafia and emmy is town, then he would have no reason to believe that she isnt a cop, which then would beg the question: why would he claim in the face of a potential cop when he himself admitted that people could read into it as a scummy claim?
this is kinda what keldeo and i were talking about. it would be to discredit her somehow (he did shade her a bit, as i talked about)
 
my thought process is pretty much that if ultracool is mafia, then something went really sideways for the wolfteam, and i want more VM thoughts about herbe i think

i am comforted only by the knowledge that there are 12/13 people outside of my towncore and that like half of them are scum
 
If herbe is mafia and emmy is town, then he would have no reason to believe that she isnt a cop, which then would beg the question: why would he claim in the face of a potential cop when he himself admitted that people could read into it as a scummy claim?
this is kinda what keldeo and i were talking about. it would be to discredit her somehow (he did shade her a bit, as i talked about)
orgh, apparently i didnt understand your interaction as much as i originally thought, lmao. still sorta Hmm tho
 
yeah, it's Hmm because it would be predicated upon a rolecop trying to overpower an actual cop which is kind of a mountainous battle imo
i don't think i'll stay on herbe but i want some actually competing wagon action
 
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