Cats (2019) Mafia

[Keldeo]

Hey Trebek, where do you weigh in on Ultracool, Herbe, and ILS?

 

[mewtini]

i think at this point since ultracool has been talking more, mafia would be more likely to try to interfere with/reroute his wagon if he were indeed a wolf

 

[Keldeo]

I guess Butterfree didn't even really defend him so much as like, say why he wasn't her top suspect.

i think at this point since ultracool has been talking more, mafia would be more likely to try to interfere with/reroute his wagon if he were indeed a wolf

If he's mafia, you think other mafia would be like, actively sticking their neck out for him?

tbh it felt like the wagons on Emmy and Tofu both kind of collapsed, and everyone from there went onto Ultracool.

 

[mewtini]

i don't know about sticking their neck out, since there's kind of not much to talk about with him and most of the pro-ultracool casing has been done pretty much by me, but like
it just feels weird to have that many votes at once on someone who hasn't done very much of anything and not have anyone actually scumread him iirc. except for i think VM, who only scumread ultracool because he said "isn't fishing anti-town" (which, like, it is). some effort to break down the wagon wouldn't necessarily be sticking their neck out imo because all it would take is "let's not lynch the lurker" and some kind of case on literally anyone else, right?

tbh it felt like the wagons on Emmy and Tofu both kind of collapsed, and everyone from there went onto Ultracool.

pretty much yeah

 

[Keldeo]

Oh yeah, mewtini, I wanted your feedback on my thought about these two posts in particular. It seems kind of like Mr. Ultracool thinks Emmy is mafia in the first one and then town in the second one (presenting Emmy as a mafia kill target?) which is a bit weird to me. He was also clearly present afterwards and reacting but not posting anything, although he did that in TVTropes too.

Announcement to all cops (if there are any): Please check kyeugh tonight.

Telling the cop whom to check seems quite fishy, too - what if the Maf has a Watcher?
IndigoEmmy

Ok unless i'm about to get lynched i won't reveal what cat i am. Because i am certainly not an evil looking cat

Well, you've made it pretty clear that you're a power role of some kind, thus painting yourself as a prime target for the mafia to kill toNight. So, it would perhaps be helpful for the Town if you claim before you (most likely) die?

 

[Keldeo]

it just feels weird to have that many votes at once on someone who hasn't done very much of anything and not have anyone actually scumread him iirc. except for i think VM, who only scumread ultracool because he said "isn't fishing anti-town" (which, like, it is). some effort to break down the wagon wouldn't necessarily be sticking their neck out imo because all it would take is "let's not lynch the lurker" and some kind of case on literally anyone else, right?

Yeah, that's fair. Do you have anyone else you'd like to wagon if you're getting cold feet about him?

I'd be vaguely paranoid that "let's not lynch the lurker" is exactly what you're doing right now if you weren't Emmy's n0 lol.

 

[mewtini]

er, the first one came before she claimed at all though and the second comes after her fakeclaim, right? so idk if i see much relation
my main thought is just that the second one is weird

 

[Keldeo]

No, she claimed being Alonzo / triple-bulletproof right after the second post.

 

[mewtini]

Yeah, that's fair. Do you have anyone else you'd like to wagon if you're getting cold feet about him?

in an "who do i actually want to lynch now that we're close to EoD" sense, no not really. i kind of don't care that much about an ultracool lynch anymore, i'm only thinking about it that way now because i feel like an 8 to 2 wagon split is awkward and is more unanimous than like anything in tvtropes except for when we voted to kill someone who got inspected as mafia :p

 

[mewtini]

i'll probably look into whether or not there is anyone else i want to wagon though because i am feeling some type of way about that vote distribution. but seeing as it's like 4am, probably won't happen in any meaningful way :p

No, she claimed being Alonzo / triple-bulletproof right after the second post.

oh, sorry, misread
uuuh ... i don't concretely know what i think about that honestly. that is really weird

 

[mewtini]

all that elapsed is emmy saying "you'll regret lynching me" and some reveal talk
is that the watcher tactic in action?

 

[Trebek]

Hey Trebek, where do you weigh in on Ultracool, Herbe, and ILS?

i dont feel terribly good about ultracool. i mentioned this earlier, but my gut gave me red flags at 1638, just in the way that he was almost blackmailing emmy into a claim? didnt help that the only post hes made since then has been to unvote.

ive spend a while debating back and forth on what alignment i think herbe falls into. i keep psyching myself out with wifom arguments of like "w! herbe wouldnt claim this early! maybe w!herbe knew I'd think that! maybe v!herbe knew id think that id think that!" times infinity. As it currently stands, my gut is still telling me to trust him, but i wouldnt give him a get out of jail free card.

i'm mostly Head Empty on ILS at the moment. i def appreciated his reads, especially on blu, but idk how i feel about translating that read into an immediate blu vote (this admittedly might be bc part of my brain is still tinfoilhatting a 3p blu lmao)

 

[mewtini]

... yeah that's exactly what you're getting at isn't it.

 

[mewtini]

all that elapsed is emmy saying "you'll regret lynching me" and some reveal talk
is that the watcher tactic in action?

to elaborate. i'm pretty sure i see what keldeo is saying now.
ultracool abruptly offers emmy up as a mafia kill after discussing the watcher role (which feels like it's too obvious, almost?) in an attempt to figure out what healers try to protect her

 

[Keldeo]

Yeah, I looked over his ISO and idk. Could be mafia, I'm kinda hung up on that contradiction I just pointed out and he hasn't really answered any questions I've asked him. Could be town, he lurked through TVT and I see what Butterfree means about him pointing out like, oblique things that the thread at large isn't really considering -

I'm really, really sorry for not posting, like, at all, but I just genuinely can't manage to read anything of relevance out of toDay. The only things I found even slightly suspicious were the WIFOM-Macavity Claim and kyeugh imploring the Mafia to read more into the kill flavor, since they are pretty much the only ones who would know exactly why and how someone was killed :/

This seems pretty pure maybe?

An 8-2 wagon is just like... I really don't know how often that actually ends up flipping mafia, lol. I agree with you that I don't know why his partners are letting this happen if they can help it - could just be that the thread momentum is just against them or something?

I'm not super invested in stopping the wagon. Maybe I'll try to science or something because I don't want EOD to be a nothingburger if he is actually just a town that a lot of town shrug-voted.

 

[mewtini]

but then there's still the weird wagon composition that i'm worried about, huff

 

[mewtini]

oh ninja'd.

 

[Keldeo]

all that elapsed is emmy saying "you'll regret lynching me" and some reveal talk
is that the watcher tactic in action?

Oh, I guess I should be clear that what I'm looking at there is Mr. Ultracool's mindset wrt what he thinks about Emmy's alignment. I think mafia watcher is... a really rare role, so though it's not out of the question I don't put a lot of stock into that theory, particularly because if Emmy is town, no one besides her would know that she would claim cop.

 

[Trebek]

hnnnnnnng. on the one hand, this wagon feels too lopsided to be actually hitting a mafia

 

[mewtini]

ooh, okay, sorry. got overexcited there. i thought i'd figured out a puzzle lmao. i was mostly thinking that nothing of substance had elapsed between the two posts and that him offering her up as the nightkill was like ... quick

i'm not totally sure what you're asking for in that case tbh