Cats (2019) Mafia

[mewtini]

i don't think i'll stay on herbe but i want some actually competing wagon action

and i don't want to vote for tofu atm tbh

 

[mewtini]

An 8-2 wagon is just like... I really don't know how often that actually ends up flipping mafia, lol. I agree with you that I don't know why his partners are letting this happen if they can help it - could just be that the thread momentum is just against them or something?

also like. since there's at least one wolf amongst the super-active posters. i kind of doubt that there's no one with the credibility to at least say something to slow the wagon, idk

 

[Keldeo]

Another EOD1 thought: koko consistently strongly defending myuma's time-last-seen read, including through EOD, seems okay for em given myuma was town. I kind of don't understand eir reads today and e's been a bit more absent, but eh, good enough I guess?

I keep feeling worse about Trebek when he's not here, and I see what the read on his EOD1 as kind of disengaged, but then I talk to him and he feels, like, fair enough lol. Reading some weirdness / possible partner-ness into his desire to not vote Herbe here for reasons that mewtini and I were just talking through, but that's maybe kind of premature.

You thought this would be a top tier, but it's me, Keldeo
Indigo Emmy and the Night Zero (new new band name): Emmy, mewtini
Townreads: Butterfree, rari_teh, Tofu, VM
kyeugh: kyeugh
Not in the above or below tier: kokorico, Trebek, Bluwiikoon
Bottom tier, vaguely ordered but not really: MP7 (should probably be in the above tier because I'm not actually ~that~ willing to vote him out, on reflection), RNP, ILS, Ultracool, Mist, Herbe

Because the bottom tier is exactly six people, I'm probably placing some people too high... but I don't really feel like moving anyone right now, so I'm not really sure where that would be.

 

[Trebek]

yeah, i think whats holding me back is just the knowledge that if i was in v!herbe's position and the wagon went to him rn i would have zero idea what to do / just sorta flounder and get lynched

but, to quote hamilton, i realized three fundamental truths at the exact same time:
i'm not herbe
i dont like uneven wagons
i like science

... herbe hehe

 

[Keldeo]

i'm not herbe
i dont like uneven wagons
i like science

I think I missed this part of Hamilton.

 

[mewtini]

If it helps for context, Butterfree, qva, Mist, and RNP have seen my mafia game fairly recently, and MP7 very recently, and I snowed at least Butterfree and MP7 fairly well.

@M Plus 7 i am curious to hear what you think of keldeo's posting whenever you return. quote very related

koko consistently strongly defending myuma's time-last-seen read, including through EOD, seems okay for em given myuma was town

yeah, this is also why i've moved koko into my townlean pile

 

[Trebek]

i'm not herbe
i dont like uneven wagons
i like science

I think I missed this part of Hamilton.

Director's cut

 

[mewtini]

is the directors cut of a broadway musical just the off-bway version

 

[Trebek]

depends on which one you like more

 

[mewtini]

anyway i’m going to sleep fr now. scared to watch the thread explode when i wake up

 

[Keldeo]

btw kyeugh: kyeugh means she's kyeugh... I was gonna ISO her but didn't get a chance to, so I'm stuck at thinking she was towny early on and haven't really looked back. Had the random thought that how she pushed for the wagons to shift around EOD1 is weird if Mr. Ultracool actually is mafia, but it's kind of a shallow thought / I'm not in love with it.

i believe this is the votecount:

Ultracool (5): VM, tofu, rari, herbe, skylar
Herbe (3): keldeo, mewtini, trebek
Tofu (2): emmy, blu
Emmy (1): rnp
Blu (1): ILS

I am going to sleep too, will be back before the deadline!

 

[Trebek]

i guess i sleep too, now that friends are gone :(

 

[Keldeo]

Kept from sleep by the chilling scenarios of VM/Tofu or Herbe/Butterfree being mafia partners. eek.

Also I wanted to be clear about stuff like the codes and link reads - I have strong opinions about what should be “acceptable” or “allowed” or “within the game” in mafia, but they are just my opinions tbh! You all do you.

 

[Bluwiikoon]

Guys I just don't want Emmy to be a potential mafia target during the Night :( Because she's the alien

 

[Bluwiikoon]

Unvote for now because we seem to be done with the tofu science? And again, not really invested in that wagon at the moment

 

[kyeugh]

what makes you shortlist blu tbh? while he did undergo some Read Decay® for me, I still don’t see him as a probable maf…?

i’m not really shortlisting him as probable maf; that list contains people i don’t actively believe are likely to be town, so it includes null reads too. i think herbe can go there too for now.

something about his alien posting (not the theory existing itself, but the way in which he did it) does not sit right with me because, if i read it with w!blu in mind, it's a way to incite panic and funnel it into getting a cop lynched (especially when he didn't tinfoil it)

huh? isn’t suggesting someone is alien like the opposite of trying to get them lynched?

Hmm... this is a weird wagon formation. I did not realize it was that many on Ultracool, with only Butterfree and semi-mewtini that I can remember defending him.

this has me feeling really bad tbh. i think this makes me not want to vote him, like it keeps happening and the mafia keeps totally letting it.

Herbe >= Ultracool >= anyone else of like... [MP7, RNP, ILS, maybe Blu] I guess >> Tofu/Emmy, maybe.

why is ultracool above mp7/rnp/ils/blu here?

i’m kind of considering a vote between ils/rnp right now.

 

[kyeugh]

@Keldeo in re my fear of you being a wolf: without rereading that eod, i guess i’m kind of thinking the myuma thing was a bit odd. i think i don’t really understand why you ultimately went to stryke, and letting me make that myuma post/pulling a bunch of people into the wagon without really commenting on it even though it was initially your scumlean seems kind of weird.

definitely not impossible that you did this as town, but i think you starting this wagon and then sort of kicking back and backing off pushing it too strongly once it looks like a townie is going to put in the work on it could come from scum too. again, this is without rereading, so i might be totally misremembering and maybe you did say some stuff etc, but this is my memory of it rn.

i think your feelings about vm’s push on me poke a hole in this somewhat, but it still wouldn’t be implausible by any means that you do that as a wolf.

i feel good about your herbe vote though.

 

[qenya]

re: posts on this page, @kyeugh @kokorico and also @Butterfree iirc - is there something specific I've done that you have an issue with, or is it more like, I've just not done enough for you to townread me and you're scared of my mafia game? If it's the latter, I guess that's fair (if a little frustrating lol) but if it's the former, I'd like to address it.

the latter I guess? when I said "PoE" I literally just meant that everyone else in that category (kyeugh, rari, mewtini, bluwiikoon, VM) has done one or more things to make me relatively convinced of their towniness, while you've been more sort of just resolutely plodding along

which is just your playstyle, last game as well as this one, which is why (as I said) I wouldn't be comfortable at all with lynching you based on it

something terrifying just passed through my head
what if rnp is the real cop

n0: green on stryke
d1: stryke flips green
n1: green on stryke
(concludes he must be insane)

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re: herbe - totally spaced this yesterday but I once played in a game with a 3p rolecop. don't really want to explain their win condition in detail because I hope to use it in a setup of my own one day, but it was compatible with a town win. it's not that I think that's what's going on here, but my point is that umming and ahing about whether herbe's claim is alignment indicative in and of itself is kind of a waste of time when it could literally be anything

what is interesting though is that he decided to target butterfree, who yesterDay had not much of a in-thread presence so is a bit of an odd target (unlike mewtini who apparently was targeted n0 by absolutely fucking every town PR)

@Herbe could you talk a bit about your motivation for checking butterfree?

 

[qenya]

@Keldeo in re my fear of you being a wolf: without rereading that eod, i guess i’m kind of thinking the myuma thing was a bit odd. i think i don’t really understand why you ultimately went to stryke

my understanding was that he switched to stryke because stryke claimed and myuma was offline and not going to. making stryke the more mechanically correct lynch

 

[qenya]

@Keldeo in re my fear of you being a wolf: without rereading that eod, i guess i’m kind of thinking the myuma thing was a bit odd. i think i don’t really understand why you ultimately went to stryke

my understanding was that he switched to stryke because stryke claimed and myuma was offline and not going to. making stryke the more mechanically correct lynch

(several other people did the same thing iirc)