Cats (2019) Mafia

[mewtini]

wait. uhhhh. i think i just realized something. stay tuned while i try to figure out how to talk about it

i may reneg on herbe being mafia

related question. why do we think seshas got nk'ed?

 

[Trebek]

which honestly i’m not that invested in that thought process until herbe flips, be that today or later, but the fact that i was able to conceive of that line of play and it didn’t ping me as absolutely stupid gave me another Hmmm point against herbe

 

[qenya]

he could have targeted Mawile on n0, knowing that Mawile was going to be nightkilled in order to find out Mawile's cat name (Victoria), giving the mafia a name they could easily claim later with no risk of being counterclaimed

wait, what? isn't this when he grabbed butterfree's fishing brother role

wait i'm misremembering, but -
he said he targeted me n0 and i'm pretty sure he does know my role, so i'm not with this train of thought

no, sorry, I just rechecked - he said he'd checked you and butterfree but not in what order! not that it matters much (swap mawile for seshas)

If he has actually done something to make you think he knows your role then yeah, disregard me I guess. It just occurred to me that he hadn't actually proved he'd checked you

 

[rari_teh]

he could have targeted Mawile on n0, knowing that Mawile was going to be nightkilled in order to find out Mawile's cat name (Victoria), giving the mafia a name they could easily claim later with no risk of being counterclaimed

wait, what? isn't this when he grabbed butterfree's fishing brother role

wait i'm misremembering, but -
he said he targeted me n0 and i'm pretty sure he does know my role, so i'm not with this train of thought

i’m pretty sure koko’s thought process lies in the same speculate-space that mine was

aka mewt/herbe w/w, herbe gets a free investigate and throws mewts role out instead

yeah, in that world that would make sense. though i’m 99% sure that mewtini is town, so i’m pretty much discarding this hypothesis

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

he could have targeted Mawile on n0, knowing that Mawile was going to be nightkilled in order to find out Mawile's cat name (Victoria), giving the mafia a name they could easily claim later with no risk of being counterclaimed

wait, what? isn't this when he grabbed butterfree's fishing brother role

wait i'm misremembering, but -
he said he targeted me n0 and i'm pretty sure he does know my role, so i'm not with this train of thought

i’m pretty sure koko’s thought process lies in the same speculate-space that mine was

aka mewt/herbe w/w, herbe gets a free investigate and throws mewts role out instead

this is an interesting thought, but couldn't be true because town!emmy cleared mewtini

 

[mewtini]

no, sorry, I just rechecked - he said he'd checked you and butterfree but not in what order! not that it matters much (swap mawile for seshas)

i think i was his n0 and butterfree was his n1, by my hypocop check list

 

[Trebek]

wait. uhhhh. i think i just realized something. stay tuned while i try to figure out how to talk about it

i may reneg on herbe being mafia

related question. why do we think seshas got nk'ed?

honestly, the way i remembered it was that we were all sorta confused about why it happened, and then the conversation sorta just moved on? i might be misremembering

 

[Trebek]

he could have targeted Mawile on n0, knowing that Mawile was going to be nightkilled in order to find out Mawile's cat name (Victoria), giving the mafia a name they could easily claim later with no risk of being counterclaimed

wait, what? isn't this when he grabbed butterfree's fishing brother role

wait i'm misremembering, but -
he said he targeted me n0 and i'm pretty sure he does know my role, so i'm not with this train of thought

i’m pretty sure koko’s thought process lies in the same speculate-space that mine was

aka mewt/herbe w/w, herbe gets a free investigate and throws mewts role out instead

this is an interesting thought, but couldn't be true because town!emmy cleared mewtini

wow, imagine remembering things

smooth brain moment

 

[mewtini]

talking about the seshas kill is kind of important to me to be honest
i don't want to say a lot more but. is there any possibility that rolecop is outgroup or something somehow? not really, right?

 

[qenya]

honestly, the way i remembered it was that we were all sorta confused about why it happened, and then the conversation sorta just moved on? i might be misremembering

yeah, iirc, the best we could come up with is that they were intimidated by seshas

fwiw I really don't think mewtini is scum, I was thinking along the lines of "what if herbe was only pretending to know her role"

 

[Trebek]

yeah, the fact that emmy also clears basically drives my speculation into the dirt, bc i like, super highly doubt there’s w/w/w 4d chess happening

 

[rari_teh]

wow, imagine remembering things

smooth brain moment

me atm
why do i even have a spreadsheet if i’m not consulting it when i need it smh

 

[Trebek]

talking about the seshas kill is kind of important to me to be honest
i don't want to say a lot more but. is there any possibility that rolecop is outgroup or something somehow? not really, right?

i wouldn’t exactly see the point, bc normally the reason rolecop works is through its ability to communicate its findings, privately in the case of mafia. at least that’s how i remember the role working

 

[Keldeo]

wait. uhhhh. i think i just realized something. stay tuned while i try to figure out how to talk about it

i may reneg on herbe being mafia

related question. why do we think seshas got nk'ed?

Tell me more :O

I think since no redirecting role has spoken up, Seshas may have been killed for... idk, maybe the mafia figured something out about them and wanted them dead? Maybe some influential mafia were around for TVTropes and thought they'd be a threat later on?

 

[rari_teh]

related question. why do we think seshas got nk'ed?

talking about the seshas kill is kind of important to me to be honest
i don't want to say a lot more but. is there any possibility that rolecop is outgroup or something somehow? not really, right?

we think seshas was nightkilled because we assume she’s the one who vanished (just like mawile), though it could be something else and the maf nk was blocked somehow?

somebody mentioned that rolecops may be 3p (koko?) but i don’t see how one could be outgroup maf

 

[Trebek]

i mean maybe, and this is extra speculation, v!herbe being rolecop is balanced out by there being a w!rolecop, who investigates seshas n0? is that what you’re thinking, mewt?

 

[qenya]

i mean maybe, and this is extra speculation, v!herbe being rolecop is balanced out by there being a w!rolecop, who investigates seshas n0? is that what you’re thinking, mewt?

this seems like an awful lot of cops needed to make this theory work, compared

 

[Keldeo]

talking about the seshas kill is kind of important to me to be honest
i don't want to say a lot more but. is there any possibility that rolecop is outgroup or something somehow? not really, right?

I don't really get where you're going with this. I think possibly? If the role cop would be outgroup who doesn't know all the mafia, they could try to identify mafia via rolecopping, right?

 

[qenya]

i mean maybe, and this is extra speculation, v!herbe being rolecop is balanced out by there being a w!rolecop, who investigates seshas n0? is that what you’re thinking, mewt?

this seems like an awful lot of cops needed to make this theory work, compared

sorry! hit post too soon

this seems like an awful lot of cops needed to make this theory work, compared to the simpler solution of just "seshas is a skilled player who the mafia didn't want around any longer than necessary"

the main takeaway I got from TVT is that the mafia think everything through much less than everyone suspects

 

[rari_teh]

i mean maybe, and this is extra speculation, v!herbe being rolecop is balanced out by there being a w!rolecop, who investigates seshas n0? is that what you’re thinking, mewt?

this seems like an awful lot of cops needed to make this theory work, compared

this is role madness tbh, so i wouldn’t say that his theory is too farfetched
there are six mafia after all