Cats (2019) Mafia

[Keldeo]

I think the reason that I want to sheep mewtini on her clears is that it simplifies things heavily and contracts the pool of people to focus on, for me, but I see what people are saying about not having enough mafia in the rest. I know I still haven't talked about what makes Herbe town in both worlds to me hrm.

My schedule is something right now, my apologies all. Definitely will be around throughout the day as I balance work.

I know you're not like trying to avoid me but please come and talk to me man. I want to get there if you're town.

currently looking at the player list and if i put aside vm/keldeo/herbe + my towncore right now, my list of *shrug* is kind of getting narrowed down... i have some kind of opinion on pretty much everyone there but koko. can anyone offer thoughts on em? i feel like stuff has been said but it's been sort of few and far between, and i don't think i have a strong feeling on em. feels like a bit of a blind spot for me.

If you want to talk more about koko, I looked at em a bit last night. I think we have a similar view on em that e's fairly towny for how e treated Ultracool, in an ingroup Ultracool world. (In an outgroup Ultracool world, that self-consciousness about eir vote reads kind of weirdly to me, like preemptively giving eir future self slack for voting a "townie".) I'm not as sold on the defending ILS thing that you mentioned as you seem to be but I guess it makes sense for town em in either world.

 

[mewtini]

I think the reason that I want to sheep mewtini on her clears is that it simplifies things heavily and contracts the pool of people to focus on, for me, but I see what people are saying about not having enough mafia in the rest.

hahaha. yeah it's freaking me out too, honestly. i will preemptively say that, if push comes to shove, i'll probably be a bit less tight-lipped - i just don't see a point in elaborating right now

I know I still haven't talked about what makes Herbe town in both worlds to me hrm.

yeah i am still wondering/curious about this! something happened and now i'm kind of freaked about herbe lol

in re: kokorico i kind of just don't think defending townies takes all that much work and it keeps em at a nebulous read for me, at least compared to the clear list

 

[Keldeo]

For mafia it’s basically a nerfed roleblocker (can block townies, but the mafia can’t simultaneously attempt to kill them.

This was basically my thought about jailer btw, but also I think Jack is the type of GM to add tradeoff-type roles, like I vaguely remember the money system in Capitalist Democracy mafia being like? So then in the original 14-player game, with a vig apparently in this setup, the mafia would actually be able to defensively jail and protect one of their own, but in exchange for losing that player's power that night. I think that's kind of an interesting dynamic idk.

I don't think Butterfree should claim her brother either.

 

[mewtini]

in re: kokorico i kind of just don't think defending townies takes all that much work and it keeps em at a nebulous read for me, at least compared to the clear list

to be quite honest i feel kind of weird about the encounter i had with em and i think i need to sit with it a bit longer to make sure it's not just an emotional read on my part. i'd previously been townleaning em for the ILS/myuma defenses but like, in the worst case, is it difficult to defend town when you know they're town ... ?

 

[Keldeo]

No, it's not really that hard to defend town when you know they're town. I guess it's just a weird strategy to defend town LHF.

What do you think of koko's interactions with Ultracool / eir shift onto Ultracool, mewtini? I talked about this a bit last night and so did Skylar in a post after that one I quoted. Do you think that was a bus, because it doesn't suuuper read that way to me (i.e. koko is either not mafia, or one of em/Ultracool would be outgroup - I know the outgroup theory is kind of, mm, restricted at this point)

 

[Keldeo]

I'll laugh so hard if kokorico is actually nitroglycerchicken terrorist again tbh

 

[Keldeo]

Hmmm. I generally agree with what people are saying about RNP where I'm at but now I want to hear whatever Emmy has to say.

ok. i just caught up and have a longpost in the works, but i gotta do this first
i see where y’all are coming from wrt rnp, but i don’t love how fast this wagon is growing and frankly i think that keldeo is more likely to be maf than vm
so keldeo for now

Tell me about these bolded sections? I don't think wagon speed is indicative of that much.

Do you have any interest in engaging with me or like... talking about my actual content? I know mewtini is clearing you but it feels kind of misrepresentative that you've painted everything that I did as NAI.

 

[IndigoClaudia]

I'm back
kinda

 

[Keldeo]

what if maf is mewt/skylar/rari/herbe/emmy and they’re all just furiously dabbing on us rn

plz don’t take this seriously

The big dab mafia team is Herbe/Emmy where Herbe rolecopped Seshas as the cop so Emmy could claim, and is just making up something vague about mewtini's role

(also not serious)

 

[Keldeo]

I'm back
kinda

Hi! Can you explain your RNP vote?

 

[Keldeo]

I'm going to be a hipster and stay off wagon because it doesn't need my help, but hmmmm mmm.

I agree that Emmy does plainly seems like a bad target for the mafia kill last night? But I kind of don't want to try to mindread the mafia's nightkill here because with the Seshas kill I think there's probably something going on that's mysterious/non-obvious here.

 

[IndigoClaudia]

I'm back
kinda

Hi! Can you explain your RNP vote?

1 - lots of others are doing it
2 - I'm getting interesting vibes.

 

[Keldeo]

Oh, sorry, I thought there was something mechanical about it. Carry on, hehe.

 

[Keldeo]

I'll laugh so hard if kokorico is actually nitroglycerchicken terrorist again tbh

okay now I agree with people saying that terrorist probably would have exploded any one of the claims by now, unless there’s some restriction on their action or... something

 

[Keldeo]

hmm 5 scum alive

RNP isn't technically clear but if he told the truth about his ability and mewtini is a healer who targeted emmy he's clear because why would he protect the kill target

yes? maybe?

because emmy wouldn’t be the kill target in that case

then what happened to the kill

it was blocked by another healer. if rnp is scum there are probably two healers imo

There are two cats inside you. One of them heals with magic, and the other heals with nanobots

 

[rari_teh]

ok. i just caught up and have a longpost in the works, but i gotta do this first
i see where y’all are coming from wrt rnp, but i don’t love how fast this wagon is growing and frankly i think that keldeo is more likely to be maf than vm
so keldeo for now

Tell me about these bolded sections? I don't think wagon speed is indicative of that much.

the main thing is that the way the wagon grew was kinda jarring for me tbh
like

somebody: uuuh hey guys what if rnp is mafia roleblocker? lmao emmy vote weird
literally everybody: omg *votes*

when rnp’s vote wasn’t really AI and his role can be just as well another town half-doctor? this is way too flimsy in my view to grow that fast, and while i’m sure at least two people involved in that rapidwagonforming are town, the smell isn’t good for me
and even if he is indeed the mafia roleblocker (which frankly is a theory i have difficulty believing in) i can kinda see it as rapid bussing btw

Do you have any interest in engaging with me or like... talking about my actual content? I know mewtini is clearing you but it feels kind of misrepresentative that you've painted everything that I did as NAI.

tbh I did a semi-rough ISO of your posts last irl-night and i couldn’t pinpoint a single post that was either damning or redeeming, and considering that (maybe unfortunately? sorry lol) your wagon doesn’t seem to be in the way of prosperity, i think i’m comfortable for the time being to just say that you are a big puzzle with lots of pieces that, when put together, form an absolutely unclear image
my scumlean on you is based on that, on your myuma and herbe wagonmounting and on the fact that i have too few neutrals
even if i didn’t █████████████████████████████ mewtini i’d still have the same stance on you tbh

 

[Trebek]

I don't think wagon speed is indicative of that much.

i feel like im agreeing with this? idk, it feels like at this point in the day phase, where theres still 22 hours before anyone dies, the mafia can super easily decide to just speed up or slow down a wagon, bc its not like they have to actually commit to a bus.

 

[rari_teh]

what if maf is mewt/skylar/rari/herbe/emmy and they’re all just furiously dabbing on us rn

plz don’t take this seriously

The big dab mafia team is Herbe/Emmy where Herbe rolecopped Seshas as the cop so Emmy could claim, and is just making up something vague about mewtini's role

(also not serious)

to be extremely honest i had a megatinfoil epiphany a few hours ago where this (kel’s joke) is true
i’ll only air it toMorrow if some specific things that would lead credence to it happen tbh

 

[rari_teh]

to be extremely honest i had a megatinfoil epiphany a few hours ago where this (kel’s joke) is true

partly true, that is
there’s one detail that’s slightly different

 

[kyeugh]

the main thing is that the way the wagon grew was kinda jarring for me tbh
like

somebody: uuuh hey guys what if rnp is mafia roleblocker? lmao emmy vote weird
literally everybody: omg *votes*

i think this kind of misses the point of the wagon but also yeah, if someone looks scummy in a way that a lot of people think makes sense and there are a lot of people sitting in the thread at that time, then the wagon is going to blow up pretty quickly. while that can be the result of foul play it doesn’t really have to be and unless you’re scumreading one of the early voters i don’t think it really makes sense to regard it that way