Cats (2019) Mafia

[mewtini]

but like. the town protective power if true. :|

 

[kyeugh]

i lowkey don't think w!herbe is trying conscientiously to pocket mewtini n0 because i think he'd probably feel too guilty to do that lol. i would anyway

 

[mewtini]

i lowkey don't think w!herbe is trying conscientiously to pocket mewtini n0 because i think he'd probably feel too guilty to do that lol. i would anyway

yeah. i HOPE you two would feel too guilty to.

 

[Keldeo]

That's not meant to be like a backhanded compliment, like, RNP has really impressed me before

Is there anything else that has been discussed that could use a similar quick analysis?

Can you look at the context surrounding the Herbe vote/unvote on RNP?

 

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler

ughhhhh i might regret this but i think rnp might be telling the truth fr.
unvote

But then I don't know what to make of this then?

do you make anything of this? to be honest herbe's unvote kind of pings me, and this post in particular feels a bit openwolfy maybe:

jailer could perhaps be mafia (cause i believe him where he explained how Theatre Cat blocks/protects) but shit man, rolecop is more likely than jailer to be mafia. idk i might change my mind on voting but here i am rn

if rnp is scum, i expect that his teammates didn't think the wagon would pick up as much traction as it did, and hoped it would fizzle out on its own eventually. it popped up pretty early and didn't seem significantly more threatening at the outset than other wagons that had fallen apart did. when herbe eventually unvoted, i very much received impressions of mafia going "shit, this wagon isn't going anywhere unless someone does something about it" and taking action. of course that's not necessarily the case but that is the way it felt to me in the moment.

It is pretty strange for sure. I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of v!Herbe vs. w!Herbe there... and the unvote does read a bit unprompted.

In combination with the other post you noted though (not sure how I missed it, but I also looked really quickly, so thanks for that, I blame the search function though and not myself!)... that does read like someone that is thinking about wolf strategy in a way that I think wouldn't come naturally to a villager, even though maybe it depends on the type of player.

It is definitely plausible that they are w/w.

 

[mewtini]

but like. the town protective power if true. :|

btw no one has counterclaimed doctor

 

[qenya]

tbh it has, but also that's like ... not ... evidence? what
i'm not buying that they just decided i'd be town leader before i had said a word lol

unless you're joking and i'm just being highstrung rn but

li'l bit of column A, li'l bit of column B

reacts are not at all the best metric of this but you are definitely one of the most active/known people on tcod in general and it doesn't seem totally out of the realm of possibility

like, it's not really the main part of my argument and it doesn't make much difference to the lynch target or to our plans based on rnp's flip, but I don't think it's as patently absurd as you're making out

 

[mewtini]

yeah i'm sorry if i overreacted, it was more of a "this doesn't seem very productive" at this point of EoD and i'm kinda stressed by the proceedings

 

[Tangrowth]

caught up with discussion

RNP's last couple of posts read off to me as genuine indignation and I'm kinda losing faith in the idea that he's a w!roleblocker

going to unvote for now

Yeah he reads as really genuine here, and I do feel bad if he is town, but like from a setup speculation perspective it seems so weird to me

I'm torn on behavior because I'm pretty sure he is a much better actor than people think...? I'm holding in my head meowfia + both games on MU here

But genuine here does not necessarily mean villagery genuine, right? Like... it could be a thoroughly frustrating situation for RNP to be in regardless of alignment. Combined with his... suspicions, I actually think it may seem more like a caught wolf trying to make shit up than a villager, but then again, RNP seems like an unpredictable type. What do you think?

 

[Tangrowth]

yeah i was also thinking about his wolfgame in the MU invitational

Can you expand on this?

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

I'm torn on behavior because I'm pretty sure he is a much better actor than people think...? I'm holding in my head meowfia + both games on MU here

Maybe I am just underestimating his acting ability then

man I really don't know

 

[kyeugh]

mm, i don't know, i think it's pretty unlikely. mewtini is my biffle but i don't really think the mafia team gets together and goes "well people like mewt, i think we should try and make an effort to pocket her, that'll pay off!" just because she's personally well-liked

 

[Tangrowth]

That's not meant to be like a backhanded compliment, like, RNP has really impressed me before

Is there anything else that has been discussed that could use a similar quick analysis?

Can you look at the context surrounding the Herbe vote/unvote on RNP?

I guess I just did that, lmao, my bad for not quoting it to begin with. What do you make of it?

 

[mewtini]

yeah i was also thinking about his wolfgame in the MU invitational

Can you expand on this?

just that town!rnp (as i saw him in the game we played before this, where he got lynched over confirmed wolf) seemed scummier/less interested in the game's proceedings than he does here (yes, fr), which i read as more similar to his MU wolfgame

 

[Bluwiikoon]

I've not been awake for long and bro the mindgames

 

[rari_teh]

that does read like someone that is thinking about wolf strategy in a way that I think wouldn't come naturally to a villager, even though maybe it depends on the type of player.

this isn’t valid imo
you can easily conjecture about how a wolf would think without being wolf yourself bc people aren’t villa/wolf for life

 

[Tangrowth]

yeah i was also thinking about his wolfgame in the MU invitational

Can you expand on this?

just that town!rnp (as i saw him in the game we played before this, where he got lynched over confirmed wolf) seemed scummier/less interested in the game's proceedings than he does here (yes, fr), which i read as more similar to his MU wolfgame

Oh, interesting, thanks!

 

[mewtini]

but like. the town protective power if true. :|

btw no one has counterclaimed doctor

by which i mean. idk why the "maybe ILS wasn't really doctor" thing continues on when the doctor probably should have counterclaimed to send herbe into the wolfgrave by now. as it stands we have no reason to believe that the proposition, if rnp is v, is doctor + partial heal + jailer, which doesn't fit in 14-player

 

[Tangrowth]

that does read like someone that is thinking about wolf strategy in a way that I think wouldn't come naturally to a villager, even though maybe it depends on the type of player.

this isn’t valid imo
you can easily conjecture about how a wolf would think without being wolf yourself bc people aren’t villa/wolf for life

Sure, but I don't think it's probable. I don't think of wolf strategy when I'm town nearly as much as I do when I'm a wolf, so I'm less likely to make posts speculating about it.

 

[rari_teh]

yeah i was also thinking about his wolfgame in the MU invitational

Can you expand on this?

just that town!rnp (as i saw him in the game we played before this, where he got lynched over confirmed wolf) seemed scummier/less interested in the game's proceedings than he does here (yes, fr), which i read as more similar to his MU wolfgame

for the record i have looked into his MU invitational game and came to the opposite final conclusion
he was extremely solvy there and barely trolling at all