Cats (2019) Mafia

[Trebek]

until i can further convince myself that a) rnp is def maf or b) v/v rnp/herbe is def not a possibility

when are you going to get either a or b tbh

rereading, further thinking, idkidk

 

[Butterfree]

Hi guys I just got out of work and I see there are like six new pages but I’d like to share with you a quote from the MafiaScum wiki that I checked because I really really could have sworn I had definitely heard of mafia jailkeepers before:

Mafia Jailkeepers are not unheard of, but overkill for many games as they can generally get by with either a Doctor or a Roleblocker. (Note, however, that it's fairly common for Mafia to claim to be a Jailkeeper when they're actually a Roleblocker; this is hard to disprove without a Role Cop and makes the role sound more townsided.)

 

[Trebek]

until i can further convince myself that a) rnp is def maf or b) v/v rnp/herbe is def not a possibility

when are you going to get either a or b tbh

this isn't me pressuring, just, idk what could happen to make either conclusive before the flips

it was less of a “this needs to happen in thread between now and eod” and more “what do i need to reanalyze/how can i justify my line of thinking even if i make an oops”

 

[mewtini]

what bfree quoted is exactly what made me think about RB!rnp claiming jailer

 

[qenya]

smh smh "the town" did not kill him, there was one (1) town on his wagon

in fairness, the mafia didn't know that. most of us were outgroup and kind of. accidentally coordinated?

speaking for myself, I was about 50/50 rnp was mafia and was trying to bus him

 

[Trebek]

(Note, however, that it's fairly common for Mafia to claim to be a Jailkeeper when they're actually a Roleblocker; this is hard to disprove without a Role Cop and makes the role sound more townsided.)

just gonna re-emphasize this rq

 

[Tangrowth]

@Trebek

I searched Herbe's ISO for all mentions of RNP, and I only received two results, both from today:

Spoiler

yea fuckit i have so little reason to believe in rnp's innocence

In isolation this could be a bus.

Spoiler

ughhhhh i might regret this but i think rnp might be telling the truth fr.
unvote

But then I don't know what to make of this then?

I would say they're w/w compatible. Likely? Not sure about that.

 

[kyeugh]

if rnp/herbe are v/v that will be hilarious i think

also if rnp is scum that will also be hilarious because it means the fake mafia team i've been pretending to call out was actually mafia

 

[qenya]

won't be caught up for a bit, but rq -

in fact I could see this being the mafia's plan from the very outset: their rolecop uses up a check to convince ultra-popular!mewtini that he's town, and then he's pretty much set for the rest of the game!

does this ... make sense? the check on me was n0 haha, i was def not ultra-popular yet :p unless they just saw the mafia-vs-not-mafia roster and was like "it's her! she is Special" (thanks if that's the case guys)

I mean

this has not qualitatively changed much since n0

 

[mewtini]

tbh it has, but also that's like ... not ... evidence? what
i'm not buying that they just decided i'd be town leader before i had said a word lol

 

[mewtini]

unless you're joking and i'm just being highstrung rn but

 

[Trebek]

@Trebek

I searched Herbe's ISO for all mentions of RNP, and I only received two results, both from today:

Spoiler

yea fuckit i have so little reason to believe in rnp's innocence

In isolation this could be a bus.

Spoiler

ughhhhh i might regret this but i think rnp might be telling the truth fr.
unvote

But then I don't know what to make of this then?

I would say they're w/w compatible. Likely? Not sure about that.

thanks!

 

[Tangrowth]

No problem!

 

[Tangrowth]

Is there anything else that has been discussed that could use a similar quick analysis?

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

caught up with discussion

RNP's last couple of posts read off to me as genuine indignation and I'm kinda losing faith in the idea that he's a w!roleblocker

going to unvote for now

 

[Keldeo]

I feel like others have said what I think about the claims better than I could. I'm having a pretty hard time wrapping my head around a world where both RNP and Herbe are town just because... 1.5 doctors and a jailkeeper?, and I don't think Herbe was fake checking RNP because (1) lol fake checks am I right, and (2) I think he would have rescinded the check then when he unvoted RNP. And I think Herbe is more/most likely town because of the wagons yesterday since Ultracool was most likely ingroup, which...

hmm, mrgle, etc

 

[kyeugh]

Spoiler

ughhhhh i might regret this but i think rnp might be telling the truth fr.
unvote

But then I don't know what to make of this then?

do you make anything of this? to be honest herbe's unvote kind of pings me, and this post in particular feels a bit openwolfy maybe:

jailer could perhaps be mafia (cause i believe him where he explained how Theatre Cat blocks/protects) but shit man, rolecop is more likely than jailer to be mafia. idk i might change my mind on voting but here i am rn

if rnp is scum, i expect that his teammates didn't think the wagon would pick up as much traction as it did, and hoped it would fizzle out on its own eventually. it popped up pretty early and didn't seem significantly more threatening at the outset than other wagons that had fallen apart did. when herbe eventually unvoted, i very much received impressions of mafia going "shit, this wagon isn't going anywhere unless someone does something about it" and taking action. of course that's not necessarily the case but that is the way it felt to me in the moment.

 

[mewtini]

tbh it has, but also that's like ... not ... evidence? what
i'm not buying that they just decided i'd be town leader before i had said a word lol

ok i realize you were joking on that but the original theory is still like, tenuous, and it makes more sense to either figure out or shelf the n1 kill than it does to decide that mafia set about pocketing me from n0

 

[Keldeo]

caught up with discussion

RNP's last couple of posts read off to me as genuine indignation and I'm kinda losing faith in the idea that he's a w!roleblocker

going to unvote for now

Yeah he reads as really genuine here, and I do feel bad if he is town, but like from a setup speculation perspective it seems so weird to me

I'm torn on behavior because I'm pretty sure he is a much better actor than people think...? I'm holding in my head meowfia + both games on MU here

 

[mewtini]

yeah i was also thinking about his wolfgame in the MU invitational