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[mewtini]

i'm sorry i won't really be able to superpost or anything because of Life Circumstances right now. superficial thoughts as i read through again for the sake of making this post:

• we are leaving otter alone for now, right?
• mf seems ... fine, but i still wonder if she's maybe posting until the heat gets off of her? no strong feelings against her though - i sort of am wondering about 2210 where she says

I realize that it's more helpful to be on the ball, but such things as taking your time, writing longer posts, and going longer than 2 hours without checking the thread are really a lot less alignment-indicative than the MU players are taking it to be

i mean. i am not MU, so. but i think some questioning (of those like stryke, seri, etc) of those who have literally posted fewer than 10 times is warranted

• i feel colossally bad for mawile lol but i still feel kind of weird and don't see that going away anytime soon (this is still a main wagon right)(tbh why hasn't he roleclaimed yet?)
• kind of opposed to the keldeo wagon but for reasons i can't totally put my finger on. i was a bit intimidated by his #interrogation earlier but now i'm kind of chilling, they don't seem performative as others have said - i also don't think i've felt like he's derailed either, really, even though his interrogation style would make it very easy for him to do so imo
• speaking of, still strongly townreading eifie
• i see some mist shade being thrown and i don't know if i think it's even worth pursuing that avenue with 2 hours left lol
• i'm sorry to say this after i planned to leave it alone, i still feel faintly weird about negrek perhaps bc idk what this means

I'd be more suspicious of the people pointing their fingers at Keldeo over his death, which would be Eifie and mewtini.

(i don't recall doing or thinking this but maybe my short-term memory is just bad lmfao)
anyway i don't feel bad enough to pursue this over other wagons probably but hm

• kind of don't know how i feel about emmy's posts recently but it's just because i feel odd about people who seem to be getting swayed easily? nor do i really know her reasons for suspecting keldeo (i know that there are people wondering about him and i sort of am wavering on that, but those people have given some reasons) and i know she's pretty much locktown so this is much more of a pipe thought than anything
• don't like RNP a ton for coming in and throwing shade on emmy in 2234 for a post where i thought she was incredibly innocuous
• i disagree that this line makes mawile especially towny

And I'm probably just going to dig myself further into a hole by posting since people are already suspicious of me :x

• i like that herbe doesn't seem to make random claims/isn't swayed too easily, but is still not tunneling hard on anyone. seems towny imo
• i'm still virtually unable to read panini so someone help me there please lol. maybe not today, it seems to not matter yet?

 

[Eifie]

this is fair tbh
i kind of just want to wait around for him to claim and then place a vote then
is there any reason for him not to do it now? i guess he's not in mortal peril rn but like i think at the rate things are going he'll get lynched (he's the biggest wagon rn right? someone factcheck me on that)

I dunno. I'm used to it being ideal for people not to claim until the last minute if they're still about to die then but like yeah right now I'm basically just whiling away the time until like 5 min before end of day when people claim

 

[mewtini]

people I would vote on rn are like... Mawile serimachi Stryke Mist (maybe) Flora RNP Odie_Pie

I actually think Odie_Pie is pretty likely to be mafia just based on the number of people in the thread that seem so towny

tbh i kind of agree with this and i don't know how to feel about anyone who isn't the target of a mainwagon (mawile/stryke)

maybe i'm leaning towards an odie vote? idk! someone tell me what to do!!!

 

[Eifie]

idk! someone tell me what to do!!!

same

 

[rari_teh]

Can I get a resummarised case from someone on the wagon if they have a moment?

The wagon is composed of Eifie, yours truly and nobody else atm. Like the other two ongoing wagons, it is mostly based off gut feelings and general weirdness, since there’s no public solid evidence against anybody as of now.

 

[Panini]

Okay I'll just take a second pass at it:

Mawile said:
I was expecting like two deaths minimum or something weird like that, just with the sheer number of people involved. It's kind of oddly relieving to see only one death?

My bad read here is that there's no expectation for more deaths and that he's openly speculating that there should have been more without feeling too self conscious on how that projects onto him

Mawile said:
There's at least a couple, I think. I can't be bothered to cross check 9 pages of posts with the player list from my phone in bed, though.

being more aware of who's playing and who's not playing is more natural when you're openly working with a subset of them

I don't feel like either of the above two are terribly clearing on their own it's more that I felt like I should pull them anyway because they were a part of the overall impression I was talking about.

Mawile said:
I'm confused by how we know if VM is joking or not? Is it because his role seems overpowered in addition to having the universal backup, or did I miss something else?

Isn't this the like
same exact thing we ended up starting on ILS/Otter for? I don't really see why him being suspicious about it hours after the fact that it had been explained is more likely to not be town - you could argue that it's trying to keep shade on a target but I think most people would supercede what they can push with the way they come off as being more important and this kind of shows Mawile's not really thinking about the latter (and also like, hasn't talked with anybody in wolf chat about whether this is still an opportunity or not)

Bare in mind I haven't played with Mawile before so I'm kind of tailoring this to my understanding of where his comfort and skill level is at but yea.

 

[Ottercopter]

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't have strong feelings about lynching this close to the end, at least. Same problem as Eifie and Panini, I have a hard time pinning down suspicious vibes/behavior. ;-;

Serimachi lynch sounds fine, Stryke lynch sounds... maybe fine? I feel a little bad committing knowing that he's away for a bit, so hopefully we can have at useful discussion once he returns. And I know there was an entire questioning and response with Mawile, but I've kinda... forgotten it, lol. Trying to do too much in the game at once. I'll read it over again in about 40 mins when I've rested my brain a bit?


(There's not much of substance below here, it's just thoughts that people seem to like hearing generally.)
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Spoiler: Vague and Not Helpful Tier List, no seriously, it's mostly neutrals

I trust:
-IndigoEmmy

Good Vibes:
-VM
-Mewtini (although I am ABSOLUTELY gonna admit that I might be biased because she believes me ;-;)
-Eifie (Shutting down cop spec sticks out as the most recent thing)
-Negrek (I guess knowing tropes doesn't have to be a town role, but it feels like it would be weirder as a mafia role.)
-Kyeugh

Neutral:
-Herbe (Closer to good)
-MF
-Panini
-Seshas
-Keldeo (I see where people distrustful of him are coming from, but Eifie vouches for him and it's still only day 2. After ILS, I have my doubts about trying to judge scumminess based mostly around how many thoughts someone's volunteering when we don't have much concrete info to go by. Which is fine, don't take this to mean I'm asking people to start claiming. Neutral good...?)
-Mist (closer to bad, but I don't feel strongly about it)
-Serimachi
-Kokorico
-Stryke
-Mr. Ultracool

????
Mawile


Bad Vibes:
-Rari_teh (Might be biased because they've distrusted me for a loooong time, even when I at least THOUGHT I was a townie. There's nothing really new here from the last time I was asked about my feelings.)

Inactive:
-Odie
-Flora (with reason)

Inactive +:
-RNP (I know he just posted, but based on her MI clam, I don't see any reason to suspect IE and I'm assuming he just hasn't looked. Like, I guess an MI doesn't necessarily have to be town aligned, but there's no reason to think it would be mafia aligned besides TWIST! either so far). Also, Kyuegh said that messing around is his normal playstyle, but even if it is, I don't see much to lose

Just here for the food:
Me

Spoiler

So I've spent the past couple days in the thread going back from the very start and trying to... abridge the game, essentially. I've got a google drive of a few hundred posts now, so i'm gonna review them one by one and do a stream of consciousness thing in case that helps...? And again, starting from the very start here, so most of this probably won't be current discussion relevant and some of it might be repetitive with stuff other people have already discussed.

• I'm kinda wondering again what a non-town aligned Deadly Doctor was actually supposed to do. Both the overnight death so far have been bloodless and there weren't more deaths back when JackPK could theoretically have sent in a night action either. I'd guess maybe they could sabotage a doctor so that their target would die, but that's so niche until you find out who a healer is. So eh.
• Still unclear about the meaning of "The Mafia has someone pulling the strings behind the curtain,"plus I still feel like it's a bit at odds with IE's MI tip. Like, "There are rival nanomachine and magic doctors" immediately tells us that there are at least two doctors in the game, plus the hint about them not getting along. I think it's entirely possible that "pulling the strings" is one of those things that'll eventually make us smack our foreheads and go "Oh, duh" when we learn more info, but for now, I'm still a little apprehensive. A Mafia member would probably know that too.
  • Although something in Seshas's favor is that they didn't initially claim MI when they first posted the info because they were unsure of the rules. At that point, VM and Negrek HAD claimed, so if Seshas were faking MI, they probably coulda just said that.
  • At 614, Seshas notes that they "Weren't sure whether [they] could quite [their] rolecard.
• After 244 (where he posts a lot of his thoughts of various players and as of 603, Keldeo spends a lot of time asking for people's thoughts about other players. Unless it's just because those are the posts of his I saved. Kokorico notes something kinda similar in 612.
  • The next post I have where Keldeo posts his own thoughts on people and events is 813.
• Kokorico being wary of Keldeo is the only post of them I have saved so far and I hope there's more. I also see that MF thinks Keldeo seems off too and I thiiiiink they're some of the first?
• Starting to see some obvious holes in the posts I collected, whoops. There's one here where Mr. Ultracool is quoted, but I don't have the original for context. And he posted so rarely that I don't have much to go by. Also, I missed two D1 tier lists, dammit.
• Mewtini is the first person I see here to suspect ILS
• [I don't have a lot of EoD posts, I think because I'm a little embarassed about what I did and subconsciously didn't look that closely, but I should probably check the actual thread over again. At least Rari_teh has the collection of votes in that one post?]
• A God am I... Maybe they could redirect people's actions or see who targetted them? Sort of playing off that characteristic of being controlling or treating themselves as above everyone? Or just a cultist, like people were saying.
  • But I dunno if either of those would fit dying smiling. It shouldn't even be that he wanted to get killed by the Mafia because that's me.
    • How do Mafia cults work, again? Recruit one person every night? So if Boq was the leader, what happens now?
• Agreeing with the people saying VM would be a pretty easy target for the Mafia, so they might have avoided him because any number of people that could protect VM would probably try to. Whereas nobody would think to protect Boq, who was at least an active poster with noted Mafia experience.
• Okay, I'm nearly caught up and this wasn't even a quarter as helpful as I was hoping it woulda been. Also, some of the Day 2 posts are outright out of order. Also also, I think my information retention has plummeted, so I think I should stop here.

 

[Keldeo]

What are your thoughts on mist themself, mewtini?

maybe i'm leaning towards an odie vote? idk! someone tell me what to do!!!

Yeah idk. I feel seomwhat uncomfortable about like every vote that I could place.

 

[Herbe]

there are 2 other wagons, rari?
also eifie said she'd probably switch vote later

i think enough people have been feeling weird about stryke all thread that it's not a terrible go, but yes, it is based off gut feelings and general weirdness.

panini's evidence/take on mawile makes me feel quite better about him/kinda worse about people trying to lynch him

 

[mewtini]

What are your thoughts on mist themself, mewtini?

kind of exactly ... neutral? not sure what to make of the fact that they're inactive, but like, unapologetically so - to the point where they're not posting in a LAMIST way, or trying to avoid getting inactive-flagged, they're just. There

and I'm having trouble caring about this game at all tbh

like this is just making me shrug a lot

so idk. i sort of don't feel like there's enough to go on and i almost feel like mist discourse is a waste of time at this part of the day

 

[mewtini]

in re: mawile, i know that i've said i felt weird about him, but i also feel basically null about him right now :x i won't contest a mawile wagon if it comes to that but fsr i feel better about a stryke wagon ... ? maybe biased because mawile has been more active and apologetic, but idk

i'm not as convinced by panini's post as herbe is, but the post did kinda encapsulate why i feel nothing about mawile at the end of the day. i DID feel odd but i also rationally know that it's the sort of discomfort that may very well 100% be "his takes aren't as informed or substantive as i want them to be" but i don't think that i feel like he's town either

 

[rari_teh]

was it ever confirmed that there even was a mafia

Is it even possible though?

is there any reason for him not to do it now? i guess he's not in mortal peril rn but like i think at the rate things are going he'll get lynched (he's the biggest wagon rn right? someone factcheck me on that)

there are 2 other wagons, rari?

Unless I counted wrong, Stryke is ahead with 3 votes. Mawile has two and Panini has one (@Herbe)

we are leaving otter alone for now, right?

Seems like it.

 

[Eifie]

it feels like a waste of post to say meh, I wouldn't be surprised by either flip, but also meh, I wouldn't be surprised by either flip

 

[mewtini]

how do we feel about odie tbh :T

 

[Eifie]

how do we feel about odie tbh :T

god I wish this had been brought up earlier in the day because now that it feels like there's some resistance to the Mawile lynch I kind of want it to happen a bit more

 

[Panini]

Mist1422 I think this is where I feel the most uneasy in my heart as of right now tbh

I'd probably also be open to Seri or Odie but I don't want to get told off again TT /s

 

[qenya]

ugh so i'm finally back, i've read through but now i'm confused lol

Tell me about it! It feels like almost everyone we've looked at today has given us reasonable doubt:

• Panini's explained her EOD1 and seems to know what she's doing
• M&F has also been offering more now that the postening is more or less over
• Mawile might not be terribly active but is being cogent
• RNP shows no sign of doing other than trolling, which may be a pro or con depending on your point of view
• Flora has a bona fide irl reason not to be here atm
• Keldeo, well, we've discussed this at length, I still feel uneasy but I don't have anything more to offer and am starting to doubt myself
• Stryke is providing a lot of original thought, although he hasn't given much to substantiate his unusual reads
• serimachi: *crickets*

That list is broadly ordered by my impressions (most to least towny) but tbh there isn't much to go on at all. And just by numbers (assuming the ~25-30% mafia guess from upthread is still sensible) we've almost certainly missed at least one or two mafia in there, if not more.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the Stryke wagon because I don't see how his complaints against VM serve to help mafia, so I'm parking my vote on serimachi for now in the absence of better alternatives. but policy-lynching inactives is not much better than abstaining imo so I fully expect to be swayed to someone else at some point before eod

tl;dr:

help

 

[Herbe]

eif, mewtini, if y'all think odie would be a better lynch, I'll go with y'all
kinda seems like our least bad choice right now?

 

[qenya]

how do we feel about odie tbh :T

also would not object to this

 

[mewtini]

i feel like we are getting nowhere and odie is like the last truly inactive person aside from flora ig who i think we should leave alone for the time being
i'm kinda here for it tbh

why? if i were scum i would leave odie alive as long as possible because they're doing absolutely nothing to jeopardize a mafia victory

I actually think Odie_Pie is pretty likely to be mafia just based on the number of people in the thread that seem so towny

last two are very legitimate remarks imo