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Forum Revival TV Tropes Mafia Revival - D7

Keldeo said:
What do you think about any reasons that VM might lie about inheriting ILS's role (as opposed to, I guess, Jack's?) I guess I just don't understand why he would lie about that, although I also can't come up with an explanation for why he wouldn't have inherited Jack's role unless Jack was, like, a "terrorist"/"out-group mafia who flips town" role, because we presumably had an out-group mafia in Mawile who flipped mafia.

That's one of the two mechanical issues that have come up wrt VM. But because ILS claimed to be White Mage/magic healing before he died, if VM is telling the truth about inheriting iLS's role, I'm chalking it up to an info-scrambling role that VM apparently targeted kyeugh with nanomachines.
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I kinda think though that it's still in the realm of possibility that he just hasn't had a universal backup role from the start and the whole thing could be a cover up for like, a mafia JOAT or something that adapts based on dead town roles.
I guess the trouble there is that in that case it feels a bit weird that he'd choose to heal kyeugh with that power and yet later kyeugh calls him out unprompted for using the wrong type of healing, which suggests they're not teamed together?
I guess it could be just the info scrambling mechanic? But the thing is I feel like it's a bit underpowered to just have "White Magic Healing" --> "Nanobots" and I can't really fathom why Mawile would choose to specifically have it that way if it was more of a choice than random so? Idk. My main vibe is that
I get why the pressure is off in this direction but I'm also not really fully comforted by the fact we don't have a solid explanation for it.
 
Keldeo said:
Also @Panini, who are your next targets assuming we lynch MF today? Do you have any less-consensus clears or thoughts?
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I'll try and get some fuller thoughts up tomorrow re: entire gamestate. I don't think I'm too far away from everyone else in terms of reads tho. The towncore we have budding (Rari, Keldeo, mewtini, kyeugh, Indigo, Seshas and Mr. Ultra) seems alright, but I'm worried that we're in a sort of pre-endgame state and that we still have a decent amount of ? slots (Mist/serimachi/Flora)
Stryke/RNP/Kokorico situation is kind of unsettling for me because I get the vibe that mafia have fingers in that pie somehow. I know previously I had talked about it just being like. Maybe some kind of role that's in the game that we don't know about yet but open q: What do you think is the likelihood that Butterfree would include some sort of mafia strongman, or otherwise doctor penetrating ability in the game?
The more I'm sitting on it the less satisfactory it feels because of the timing - it doesn't seem right that Eifie was dead and then Stryke claimed she should be alive and then Kokorico said wait healer clash and then RNP went - actually no healer clash and the whole thing is unsolved for.
 
My only resevations about Mafia!Stryke is that according to IndigoEmmy there IS a Nanobot Doctor in the game, and unless someone just didn't speak up fsr, there's noone else who could possibly be it.
 
We'll see based on flips, but I'm acting for now off the assumption that M&F distanced by ignoring his teammates
 
Seshas said:
My only resevations about Mafia!Stryke is that according to IndigoEmmy there IS a Nanobot Doctor in the game, and unless someone just didn't speak up fsr, there's noone else who could possibly be it.
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Unless it was Jack? Because technically, Stryke's trope is The Medic, which doesn't mention nanobots at all
 
mewtini said:
mysterious informants: seshas,
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Quick question; after swapping, I also became a MI. If it's allowed, I'd like to post my role PN, too, but if it isn't, I'll just have to paraphrase it as knowing that there is an Evil Doctor TM running around.

Ottercopter said:
I feel like there kinda HAS to be at least one mafia member who's active among us (besides MF) and false claimed, but I have absolutely no idea who it is.
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It's not you, it's... not me, either 😆 (Sorry, I just couldn't resist)

Ottercopter said:
If we really, really wanna try to take RNP's role and not just off him, we could swap with him right before lynching him at like 23:59 or the like.
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Why, though? There's been quite the missconception about this role, tbh. The person who was hit with the phrase can't do anything at all about the swap; its the Bodysnatcher quoting another person that does it. If we really wanted to, we could phrase RNP at dusk and he'd be incapable of doing anything bar intervention of a Dayvig.
 
mewtini said:
the queen:
@Eifie <3

trying her best !!!:
mewtini....

likely town:
rari
keldeo
ultracool
otter
kyeugh
VM

probably town?:
mist
stryke
panini (swap!cop!keldeo clear)
serimachi (would usually be in a "read unknown" tier, but putting them here by virtue of MF)

third party:
herbe i'm sorry for your loss, homie

not great feelings:
flora **inactive
RNP

farewell, my friend:
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Where do i fit here?
 
Mr. Ultracool said:
Quick question; after swapping, I also became a MI. If it's allowed, I'd like to post my role PN, too, but if it isn't, I'll just have to paraphrase it as knowing that there is an Evil Doctor TM running around.
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posting the PM isn't allowed - you could paraphrase it, if you wanted - but thanks! don't worry. i remembered that, i just put you in the swap category since you aren't (?) an MI anymore ... sorry, my understanding is a bit fuzzy. either way you're cleared in my mind, at least for now :)
Seshas said:
My only resevations about Mafia!Stryke is that according to IndigoEmmy there IS a Nanobot Doctor in the game, and unless someone just didn't speak up fsr, there's noone else who could possibly be it.
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it could be flora, maybe? there are still a couple people who could conceivably have evaded getting the chance to counterclaim, but i am more tempted to let stryke go for now, if only because i'm really uncertain about how to proceed with detangling whatever's going on with our healing roles and scared of messing it up lol
Panini said:
But the thing is I feel like it's a bit underpowered to just have "White Magic Healing" --> "Nanobots" and I can't really fathom why Mawile would choose to specifically have it that way if it was more of a choice than random so?
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if it were a choice, i still think that it introduced a decent amount of FUD? in another universe i don't think it's impossible it could've resulted in a more widespread VM-fear, but idk

i don't really know what non info-scrambling role could've done it, because it goes beyond just role redirection, doesn't it

IndigoEmmy said:
Where do i fit here?
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lol i forgot both you and seshas because i always put y'all in the same spot. sorry. reposted, made some revisions

kind of with respect to roleclaims and MF interactions i guess.
still ordered within tiers, mostly. disclaimer that i didn't know how to sort the top because of the many mech-clears and my lack of certainty in how Clearing they are

trying her best !!!:
mewtini....

likely town:
rari
seshas
keldeo
ultracool
kyeugh
VM
emmy
otter
panini (swap!cop!keldeo clear)

probably town?:
mist
stryke
serimachi (would usually be in a "read unknown" tier, but putting them here by virtue of MF)

third party:
herbe i'm sorry for your loss, homie

not great feelings:
flora **inactive
RNP

farewell, my friend:
MF
 
Panini said:
The more I'm sitting on it the less satisfactory it feels because of the timing - it doesn't seem right that Eifie was dead and then Stryke claimed she should be alive and then Kokorico said wait healer clash and then RNP went - actually no healer clash and the whole thing is unsolved for.
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bringing this up too because it pretty much is exactly how i've felt about the possibility of a strongman/the overall worry i have about the scenario haha. i had a theory before that maybe RNP only even claimed to have blocked stryke to discredit him though i now don't think it was that planned out, but either way i think there's something Sinister going on in that group as well
 
RedneckPhoenix said:
i'm gonna play it true to myself, who is a total fucking idiot
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RedneckPhoenix said:
i gave you my explanation! if there's even a smidgeon of a reason to mess with stryke, like a shady doctor claim, i'm gonna take it and run with it
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last thing for now before i go and..... finish out one of my classes for the semester.

i lowkey gaslit myself while talking to RNP and i was like, maybe everyone's right and i'm going too hard at this? idk i was undergoing like legitimate dread about having to approach the situation because i felt like i was the only one who felt openly *bad* about it until otter started talking about it, but now that i have slept on it i want to reiterate that this is still so weird to me - this quote in particular, for not being remotely rooted in town agenda.

taking it at face value (assuming that RNP has blocked who he's said he's blocked) at best it's town-hurting-town, and at worst mafia who got poked into making an openclaim and, for one reason (apathy) or another (uncertainty), hasn't attempted to make up justifications or backstory
 
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