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Gym Leader Choice Pokémafia 2 - Game Thread

Herbe noooo!!! 😭 And Hydreigon!!

Hydreigon paralysing Jack makes sense imo, based on the softs Hydrei was making yesterDay about uhhh how town shouldn't target him. Other than that though, I guess our vig misfired? :( Good to know that we still have one, at least! ^^

I've been getting real bad stomach sickness so I may not be super active toDay, but I'll try my best as always! 😄 Everyone, be sure to look after yourself too! Hydrate and eat foods, and sleep if you need a sleep!
 
rari_teh said:
after rereading a bit of tvt i got more comfortable in my vote
right back at ya, @bruh moment: could you give me your negrek and tofu thoughts?
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alright, tofu thoughts. we were pretty tunneled on this overNight, but while looking back over some of this stuff and discussing it more we're not quite as convinced as we were. still, the vibes are decisively Not Good.

the main issue lies in her the inconsistency of her claim. we're just having a really hard time figuring out how this can come from town—we spent a non-negligible amount of time trying to read this all in the best possible faith and it is still just, pretty baffling. not impossible to understand, but it's certainly easier to assume she's just lying.

timeline goes something like this:

tofu makes her initial claim, completely unprompted, in 118. at the time of this posting, the duplication power is specifically tofu's only action. she also mentions that she gives out two badges upon dying, and occasionally refers to this as an 'action.'

we think the early claim is sorta towny on its own, but not, like, especially so. and we're very much of the opinion that whatever town points it did win her were cancelled out and then some by this post, where she points to it as evidence of her own towniness. imo "if i'm mafia, why do i do THIS, huh!?" rarely feels good—very LAMIST vibes and i think these thoughts occur to wolves more often than town.

she goes on to reiterate very specifically that she does not have two abilities here—she's making it very clear that she has a duplicator ability, and the badges that she gives out when she dies.

next she makes this post, where she goes into fairly excruciating detail about the exact mechanics of her duplication power. we find it pretty hard to reconcile this level of detail with the fact that she seemingly completely misinterpreted/"didn't look at" her role pm, as she claims to have done later. (also of note is that here, after her initial claim, she adds the vivillon flavor to her badge distribution mechanic; it seems that no one else has their badge distribution flavored in this way?) note that at this point there is no mention at any point of colorful scatter, or a second ability of any kind, and several very unambiguous statements that seem to contradict the presence of an additional ability, reiterated in her next post here.

colorful scatter springs into being for the first time in this post. it's still unclear to us how, exactly, to interpret what the state of her claim was at this point. before this, she referred to the two badges that she distributes on death (separate from colorful scatter) as an "action"—her verbiage here (specifically the use of the word "other" in response to rnp referring to "neither" of her abilities requiring badges) suggests to me that she has two abilities at this point, with the two badge distribution included in that number. at this point, it seems like she thinks that colorful scatter is just a name for the two badges she gives out on death, which is a bit weird, but more on that in a bit.

final post in the thrilling colorful scatter saga is this one, where she claims to have basically just like, failed to correctly interpret her role pm this entire time, and actually colorful scatter is a completely different thing (and coincidentally the exact same thing that blu guessed). there is NO mention or even inkling of this power at any point before this post except for the name. vital to note that this post is made as tofu is beginning to draw heat from basically everyone in the thread.

now, let's jump back to the post before this one, with the added context of colorful scatter's supposed power. at this point she's in sort of a liminal state where she remembers colorful scatter existing at all, but doesn't seem to recall fully what it is. it's a bit difficult for us to imagine this, given the detail she went into in her duplication power write-up. additionally, if she has two discrete abilities as her final post suggests (duplication + colorful scatter) PLUS the normal badge distribution we all have, it's hard to imagine that she just completely failed to notice one of her two abilities (but still managed to catch the name?), to the point that she repeatedly made specific claims about only having the duplication power and the two badge distribution and nothing else.

no matter how you slice it, something is seriously weird here. it's honestly pretty difficult to explain this regardless of her alignment. but we're coming out of it with a bad feeling, and for that reason, tofu is our top scumread at the moment.

another smaller thing, in reply to what you said about tofu seeming townily careful about her vote placement -
Tofu said:
fwiw Ultracool's posts didn't really stand out to me as weird, but, it could just be because I am automatically more trusting because his watching ability (or whatever it is) was confirmed (in a sort of roundabout way because of the redirect) by both Blu and vm.
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Tofu said:
Zori's posts have confused me more than Ultracool's, and I feel more weird about Zori than UC at the moment. But I aint vote till tomorrow probably. [...]
(also I kind of like that on the off chance Zori does drop 8 badges when killed, AND rnp isn't just trolling us, we could... activate his ability with the badges Zori drops, right (assuming they are sent to rnp)? Honestly this isn't a situation that even seems like it could realistically happen, but just sharing my train of thought)
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Tofu said:
I feel baaaad voting Zori because they believed my role claim and stuff, but I know yesterday I was thinking they stood out to me the most, and my other opinions haven't changed much overall. I might try to check in later before EOD and see if anything else has transpired, though.
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i (mewtini) asked her about this in my longpost at EoD though i think that she didn't have time to reply before Night hit. what i've quoted here is, as far as i can tell, the totality of what she said about the two wagons ... and i would say that it's rather compatible with coasting onto an innowagon - no deep discussion or thought, despite being able to engage with finer details of ultracool's posting (as an aside, that engagement seemed fully NAI to me). nothing that's damning or scummy, but i don't think that this makes her any less likely to be wolf, and i also don't read her final vote as being especially deliberate - especially when no rationale beyond "she sounds off" was ever given.

~ Bruh Moment, LLC
 
bruh moment said:
no matter how you slice it, something is seriously weird here. it's honestly pretty difficult to explain this regardless of her alignment. but we're coming out of it with a bad feeling, and for that reason, tofu is our top scumread at the moment.
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this was a very interesting analysis, bruh. i can’t say i’m fully swayed by it, but it definitely sounds off, especially because of the inconsistencies regarding how she remembers the details of her powers.

i’m looking forward to see tofu’s response and her reply to the question i made on my longpost. also looking forward to your negrekthoughts

thanks, bruh
 
JackPK said:
Ysabel said:
JackPK said:
Hmmm, my night action got an interesting result on several counts.

So for context, my free night action targets two players (it is not Bus Driver or similar, but I'll refrain on claiming exactly what it is unless it comes down to a fullclaim situation). Last night I targeted RNP and Hydreigon.

I got my normal expected result, plus the "RNP is mafia" result that RNP told us about, plus this:

"and furthermore, hmmmadksfhjajkfakdfbasdkhjazzzzzzzzzzt"

And then it told me I cannot take actions until the night after next.
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Why did you target RNP and Hydre specifically?
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RNP because we had previously agreed I would target him in order to check his claim that he broadcasts miller

I didn't want the other target to be someone that seemed likely to be cop/doc/other Important Roles just in case RNP was lying mafia and actually had some sort of role that might somehow bounce off me and hit the other target. I also didn't want the other target to be someone that was likely to be targeted by a bunch of other actions, to reduce the likelihood that those other actions might be something that could somehow screw up my action and make me unable to get RNP's broadcast and thereby check his claim. Hydreigon seemed an appropriate pick for those criteria IMO.
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admit it. you're a neighbouriser and thought it would be hilarious to set up a chat between them
 
OK, I'm all caught up! And the temperature is down to a relatively chilly 22 degrees, so hopefully I will be a little less braindead than I was yesterday. (It's possible, at least.)

I gotta say, I was astonished by both Seshas' and Herbe's flips. I was assuming that if Seshas was 3p at all she was an activated alien, and when I reread overnight I came round to the view of scumleaning Herbe (because his ISO mostly consisted of joke-FoSes, on me and others). So that was a surprise. I'm almost at the point of wondering if there's an ingroup at all, though maybe it's a bit premature to be thinking about that.

Nothing much to say on the nightkills that hasn't already been said. I subscribe to the hypothesis that Herbe was the alien and was offed by he mafia, and it's entirely plausible that someone would have vigged Hydreigon. It occurs to me that if we're correct in those assumptions and about what Hydrei's role was, the vig has been paralysed and will be unable to make a kill tonight. Plan accordingly.

Very impressed by rari's effortpost on Negrek. On rereading I was thinking some of the same things about her quizzing RNP about his role, so it's good to see that I wasn't just being paranoid. I don't agree that being pro-abstention is necessarily a scumtell for Negrek (though it's true that she would know she was in a position to propose abstention without people considering it a scumtell), but everything else makes sense to me.

On the topic of RNP, my assumption was that his role required him to post the trigger phrase and explain what it meant in the same post... which he did, here, while also making it seem as though he wasn't. I thought that was pretty slick, which is why I put him at the top of my townpile yesterday. Moderately disappointed to find out that he was just bullshitting, but at least it helped gauge reactions.

I'm... oscillating about Tofu. Ask me again later.

@Mr. Ultracool , what was your result last night, if you can safely share it?

@bruh moment , you said earlier that you were going to try to formulate some thoughts on Mawile, what did you come up with?
 
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