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Heatran
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1. Luftballon
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Murkrow
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I would say it isn't a legendary since I don't recall much text in the game talking about it as a legend, though I can see how it could be considered one.
What's your point? Doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.
1. Luftballon
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1. Luftballon
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Noctowl
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"Legendary" really has no solid meaning anyway, since the category of "legendary" includes all sorts of different things...
1: Some of the most powerful Pokémon in existence, which certain groups of ancient humans viewed as gods due to the fact that they seem to be one-of-a-kind (or at least ridiculously rare in the case of Regigigas and maybe the Hoenn trio; like maybe a population only in the double or triple-digits worldwide) and have the power to mess around with a certain element/force of nature. (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, and Regigigas.)
2: Pokémon that are on a similar level as the "god wannabes" but without quite as much mythical baggage (Ho-Oh and Lugia.)
3: Pokémon that are on a similar level as the "god wannabes" that were much more recent in origin, either by a freak mutation or genetically-engineered (Mewtwo and Deoxys.)
4: Pokémon that are much weaker than the "god wannabes," but were still viewed as gods in certain mythologies anyway due to possibly being one-of-a-kind and having a lot of power over certain mental things like emotions and memory (Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf.)
5: Pokémon that are on a lower level than the "god wannabes" or their equivalents, and in most cases don't come with a lot of mythical baggage either... but they're just so rare and rarely-seen that they were originally thought to not really exist by many people. Basically the "Bigfoot/Loch Ness Monster" equivalents of the Pokémon world. (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mew, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Celebi, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latios, Latias, Jirachi, Manaphy, Phione, Heatran, Cresselia, Darkrai, and Shaymin.)
So whether Heatran is a "legendary" Pokémon or not really depends on how you define "legendary". If you're going to throw out Heatran, you'd have to "de-legendary-ize" at least a few others, too... if Heatran doesn't count as "legendary" just because it's non-unique and has a defined gender, then why would Latias/Latios (who have those exact same features!) still count as "legendary?"
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Also... the Japanese version actually has two or three different categories of legendary Pokémon, rather than calling everything "Legendary." This might be part of the reason why there's so much disagreement over what's "legendary" and what isn't.
If I remember right, there's "Phantom" Pokémon (basically group #5 above, the kind that's just so rare that a lot of people don't believe that they really exist), "Legendary" Pokémon (Ho-Oh, Lugia, Kyogre, Groudon, and so on; basically group #2 with parts of #1 mixed in), and then a third group that's exclusively for Sinnoh's mythical Pokémon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, and maybe the lake trio... I can't remember for sure.)
Somebody that's more familiar with the Japanese version can probably fill in which one goes in which group better than me (I honestly can't remember if the "Sinnoh mythical Pokémon" group includes all the 4th-gen legendaries, or just the ones related to the whole Arceus/Dialga/Palkia story, and I have no idea where Mewtwo, Deoxys, and various others fit in)... though I think I at least got the basics of the three groups down.
1: Some of the most powerful Pokémon in existence, which certain groups of ancient humans viewed as gods due to the fact that they seem to be one-of-a-kind (or at least ridiculously rare in the case of Regigigas and maybe the Hoenn trio; like maybe a population only in the double or triple-digits worldwide) and have the power to mess around with a certain element/force of nature. (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, and Regigigas.)
2: Pokémon that are on a similar level as the "god wannabes" but without quite as much mythical baggage (Ho-Oh and Lugia.)
3: Pokémon that are on a similar level as the "god wannabes" that were much more recent in origin, either by a freak mutation or genetically-engineered (Mewtwo and Deoxys.)
4: Pokémon that are much weaker than the "god wannabes," but were still viewed as gods in certain mythologies anyway due to possibly being one-of-a-kind and having a lot of power over certain mental things like emotions and memory (Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf.)
5: Pokémon that are on a lower level than the "god wannabes" or their equivalents, and in most cases don't come with a lot of mythical baggage either... but they're just so rare and rarely-seen that they were originally thought to not really exist by many people. Basically the "Bigfoot/Loch Ness Monster" equivalents of the Pokémon world. (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mew, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Celebi, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latios, Latias, Jirachi, Manaphy, Phione, Heatran, Cresselia, Darkrai, and Shaymin.)
So whether Heatran is a "legendary" Pokémon or not really depends on how you define "legendary". If you're going to throw out Heatran, you'd have to "de-legendary-ize" at least a few others, too... if Heatran doesn't count as "legendary" just because it's non-unique and has a defined gender, then why would Latias/Latios (who have those exact same features!) still count as "legendary?"
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Also... the Japanese version actually has two or three different categories of legendary Pokémon, rather than calling everything "Legendary." This might be part of the reason why there's so much disagreement over what's "legendary" and what isn't.
If I remember right, there's "Phantom" Pokémon (basically group #5 above, the kind that's just so rare that a lot of people don't believe that they really exist), "Legendary" Pokémon (Ho-Oh, Lugia, Kyogre, Groudon, and so on; basically group #2 with parts of #1 mixed in), and then a third group that's exclusively for Sinnoh's mythical Pokémon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, and maybe the lake trio... I can't remember for sure.)
Somebody that's more familiar with the Japanese version can probably fill in which one goes in which group better than me (I honestly can't remember if the "Sinnoh mythical Pokémon" group includes all the 4th-gen legendaries, or just the ones related to the whole Arceus/Dialga/Palkia story, and I have no idea where Mewtwo, Deoxys, and various others fit in)... though I think I at least got the basics of the three groups down.
Murkrow
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Then there's another category that defines Arcanine as a legendary but I don't think anyone here considers them legendary :V
Wargle
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Umm.
Game Freak themselves classes Heatran as a Legendary.
PROOF: Anyone remember the Battle Revolution Legend ban a few years ago? They banned every Legendary Pokemon from Wi-fi Battles ((and trades on the GTS iirc)). Heatran was banned too. Case and point.
EXTRA SUPPORT: Heatran has its own sidestory, which must becompleted to reface Gym Leaders.
Game Freak themselves classes Heatran as a Legendary.
PROOF: Anyone remember the Battle Revolution Legend ban a few years ago? They banned every Legendary Pokemon from Wi-fi Battles ((and trades on the GTS iirc)). Heatran was banned too. Case and point.
EXTRA SUPPORT: Heatran has its own sidestory, which must becompleted to reface Gym Leaders.
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That's just a Pokédex type. So Arcanine is only "legendary" in the same sense that Blastoise is a "shellfish", Wooper is a "water fish", or Zangoose is a "cat ferret."
In other words, Arcanine isn't really considered legendary... unless you count Blastoise as some kind of bizarre turtle-like clam rather than an actual turtle. Except in China, apparently.
Superbird
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When I said it's pretty close...
Look at Tyranitar/Salamence/Dragonite/etc.. They are called Pseudo-legendaries because of their legendary-like stats and power. Therefore, if one groups heatran in with them, it is very close to being a legendary. I didn't say it was a legendary, I just said that if it isn't, it's pretty dang close.
Look at Tyranitar/Salamence/Dragonite/etc.. They are called Pseudo-legendaries because of their legendary-like stats and power. Therefore, if one groups heatran in with them, it is very close to being a legendary. I didn't say it was a legendary, I just said that if it isn't, it's pretty dang close.
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1. Luftballon
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they also consider phione legendary. and they flip-flop on rotom's status. what is it currently?
@lex
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The Pokémon fanbase has distorted the meaning of "legendary" beyond all recognition.
Heatran is a legendary Pokémon, much more so than Pokémon like Mewtwo or Manaphy. Why? Because Heatran is mentioned in legends. In DPP, we hear old myths about the legendary Pokémon from Buck and his grandfather, and even Charon wants to use the equally legendary Magma Stone "let awaken the legendary Heatran". Not to mention there's only one (or very few) of its species, it can't breed, it's harder to catch than Arceus and it's stronger than Articuno.
Heatran is a legendary Pokémon, and anyone saying otherwise is being ignorant.
Heatran is a legendary Pokémon, much more so than Pokémon like Mewtwo or Manaphy. Why? Because Heatran is mentioned in legends. In DPP, we hear old myths about the legendary Pokémon from Buck and his grandfather, and even Charon wants to use the equally legendary Magma Stone "let awaken the legendary Heatran". Not to mention there's only one (or very few) of its species, it can't breed, it's harder to catch than Arceus and it's stronger than Articuno.
Heatran is a legendary Pokémon, and anyone saying otherwise is being ignorant.
Hogia
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That was unnecessary, insulting, and off-topic. Shame on you.
Anyway, I personally think that Heatran is legendary. How about debating whether or not Rotom is legendary? I find its placement on the PokeDex list a bit confusing.