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I want to see this.
J.T.
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Certainly, but do keep in mind I was exaggerating a bit. Same basic concept, though.
Bit of background info here: Both me and this guy usually make really long posts. The post I made quoting TES had been sitting on about page 15 of the thread, and, after hinting and gesturing towards someone to try and rebut the post (which basically meant writing read this post in big bold letters), someone finally tried... on page 33. He managed to stick his response in the middle of the rest of his post. I know I'm not a great debater, so some of my later responses might have been poor, but anyway. He though it would be funny to quote one of my earlier responses, on a completely different thread, in response to someone else, to ask me to give citations, so when he quotes me saying "Unsourced, that's always fun", that's what's going on - he's asking me for a source in a *ahem* totally original and witty way.
I was going to link to his post as a whole and lead you to the spoiler tags he had his response in, but looking at it again, his response was so short I could probably get away with reposting the whole thing here.
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... that's it. That's all he responded to. I told him he could ignore the first part, the one about the history of homosexual acceptance and gay rights, and he still ignored more than half the post.
If you want to see the whole post yourself, I'll link it here (his response to TES' points are in the spoiler tag). Note that I gave him sources for what he asked for.
Bit of background info here: Both me and this guy usually make really long posts. The post I made quoting TES had been sitting on about page 15 of the thread, and, after hinting and gesturing towards someone to try and rebut the post (which basically meant writing read this post in big bold letters), someone finally tried... on page 33. He managed to stick his response in the middle of the rest of his post. I know I'm not a great debater, so some of my later responses might have been poor, but anyway. He though it would be funny to quote one of my earlier responses, on a completely different thread, in response to someone else, to ask me to give citations, so when he quotes me saying "Unsourced, that's always fun", that's what's going on - he's asking me for a source in a *ahem* totally original and witty way.
I was going to link to his post as a whole and lead you to the spoiler tags he had his response in, but looking at it again, his response was so short I could probably get away with reposting the whole thing here.
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... that's it. That's all he responded to. I told him he could ignore the first part, the one about the history of homosexual acceptance and gay rights, and he still ignored more than half the post.
If you want to see the whole post yourself, I'll link it here (his response to TES' points are in the spoiler tag). Note that I gave him sources for what he asked for.
Teh Ebil Snorlax
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Having a reasonable argument on serebii is like trying to get blood out of a turnip.
Also, as it happens, opaltiger linked to my source for that information;
Also, as it happens, opaltiger linked to my source for that information;
Superbird
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In the bible:
Point:
People try to denounce Homosexuality using the Bible as an example. If they are so focused on obeying the Lord's word, then why don't they practice the other laws? If you want more examples, pretty much chapters 11-19 are just phrasing out the law. Go look--about half of it isn't commonly practiced. If people only obey the homosexuality law, then they should also obey every other one of the 50 laws--or else it's THEM against God's word, not the homosexuals.
Needless to say, I am a supporter of Homosexuality, even though I am hetero.
THIS is one of the verses that tells us that Homosexuality is bad.The Bible said:
Stealing is pushing it. Lying is commonly done. Deceiving another is all too common.The Bible said:
Plenty of people do this--the same ones who denounce homosexuality.The Bible said:
Point:
People try to denounce Homosexuality using the Bible as an example. If they are so focused on obeying the Lord's word, then why don't they practice the other laws? If you want more examples, pretty much chapters 11-19 are just phrasing out the law. Go look--about half of it isn't commonly practiced. If people only obey the homosexuality law, then they should also obey every other one of the 50 laws--or else it's THEM against God's word, not the homosexuals.
Needless to say, I am a supporter of Homosexuality, even though I am hetero.
1. Luftballon
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While we're on the subject of religion, or at least related to religion, this article should definitely be checked out. It's got a Christian like me torn in two as to what to think. Reading the comments is not an advised activity if you're on a short fuse.
Flora
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this is sad. but i think most of the comments are even worse, since most of them are like "who cares" and a bunch are even commending the school for taking a stand.
the third comment, though, was actually very thoughtful, and kinda shows the hypocrisy of the church: "Isn't the rite of marriage supposed to be a sacrament????? Why is this woman being denied that sacrament?"
that's the question i have to ask, too: if the church is all "everyone has rights (like marriage) and they can't be abridged~" then why won't they let lesbian/gay couples marry?
speaking of christianity's stance on homosexuality, i found a section in my theology of the body textbook (what?) on homosexuality, which gives such wonderful reasons why homosexuality is wrong such as "the human bodies are made to complement each other thus homosexuality is wrong." also for some reason it seems to equate homosexuality with transgenderism which doesn't really make sense.
and one of the activites in said book says to make a powerpoint saying how homosexuality (among other things) is never a "free, total, faithful and fruitful expression of love" or some crap like that. it basically all boils down to "SAME SEX COUPLES CAN'T MAEK BABIES SO HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG."
the third comment, though, was actually very thoughtful, and kinda shows the hypocrisy of the church: "Isn't the rite of marriage supposed to be a sacrament????? Why is this woman being denied that sacrament?"
that's the question i have to ask, too: if the church is all "everyone has rights (like marriage) and they can't be abridged~" then why won't they let lesbian/gay couples marry?
speaking of christianity's stance on homosexuality, i found a section in my theology of the body textbook (what?) on homosexuality, which gives such wonderful reasons why homosexuality is wrong such as "the human bodies are made to complement each other thus homosexuality is wrong." also for some reason it seems to equate homosexuality with transgenderism which doesn't really make sense.
and one of the activites in said book says to make a powerpoint saying how homosexuality (among other things) is never a "free, total, faithful and fruitful expression of love" or some crap like that. it basically all boils down to "SAME SEX COUPLES CAN'T MAEK BABIES SO HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG."
Michi
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I read the comments and had to stop my fist from cracking the screen.
Homosexuality IS natural! And it's not like a homosexual or bisexual teacher is going to force their orientation down a child's throat, I should know. Our Health teacher is homosexual, and I don't think she's done anything wrong in her 20 or so years of teaching.
Homosexuality IS natural! And it's not like a homosexual or bisexual teacher is going to force their orientation down a child's throat, I should know. Our Health teacher is homosexual, and I don't think she's done anything wrong in her 20 or so years of teaching.
Pwnemon
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Darn I'm in the same position as Ryubane. (WUT?)
No, I'm not firmly with the school, but I'm also not with the AD. It WAS against the Diocese's code to marry homosexually, and she did it anyway. That's definitely worthy of getting fired. However, should that be in there? Surely, they have every right to have it in there, they're a private company. But I don't know if they want to lose someone obviously eager to spread their word for sexual orientation. Again. She blatantly broke the rules and shouldn't be pardoned. But maybe the rule was a dumb one for future situations.
No, I'm not firmly with the school, but I'm also not with the AD. It WAS against the Diocese's code to marry homosexually, and she did it anyway. That's definitely worthy of getting fired. However, should that be in there? Surely, they have every right to have it in there, they're a private company. But I don't know if they want to lose someone obviously eager to spread their word for sexual orientation. Again. She blatantly broke the rules and shouldn't be pardoned. But maybe the rule was a dumb one for future situations.
Teh Ebil Snorlax
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Are you freaking braindead? Discrimination in employment is illegal. It's against the law to fire people just for being gay, in the same way that you can't fire people just for being black, Jewish or Republican. It was completely illegal for them to include that clause in their contract in the first place.
It is against the law to fire someone for being gay. I am pretty sure you can't fire someone for getting gay-married, either. If the diocese's policy is in violation of the law, what should be done when someone breaks the diocese's law?
(sidenote: Some moral systems prioritize adherance to rules as a virtue. others don't. I'm not sure it's completely relevant but I thought it was interesting)
dear queers: have any of you ~come out~ to friends or family? what was it like?
(sidenote: Some moral systems prioritize adherance to rules as a virtue. others don't. I'm not sure it's completely relevant but I thought it was interesting)
dear queers: have any of you ~come out~ to friends or family? what was it like?
J.T.
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Sadly, that's not necessarily the case. Massachusetts is one of the states where it is illegal, though. Also this article was written a year ago, so it might not be totally accurate now.
Zeph
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Oh yeah, pretty much everybody I know knows I'm gay. It was a little weird at first but I'm fine with it now. It doesn't, uh, offend me when people attempt to make fun of me for it or anything either, it's pretty amusing really. And my friends always make mock-homophobic jokes about it (Like, uh, bad example but "No, you're incorrect, because you're gay" or whatever), which is all in good fun.
As for my family, yeah, they all know too and are fine with it, because having a liberal family is fun.
I must see this book. If only to burn it. Ever heard of adoption, editors?
You said it better than I could. And if they're teaching the way they should be, depending on how the subject should arise, there's not much need for them to even be open about it anyway.
Like J.T. said, this type of discrimination in employment is legal in Massachusetts, but I'm with you in saying that it shouldn't be legal anywhere. A homosexual or bisexual person can teach just as well as a heterosexual person if not better in some cases, so why should such a thing be discriminated anywhere?
Six of my best friends know, and they don't treat me any different than they did before they knew; albeit cracking up whenever a guy who doesn't know about my bisexuality jokingly hugs me. Even my best best friend, who is homophobic though I didn't know when I came out to him, hardly cares. I don't get offended by homophobic comments or gay jokes either, which is good for those who don't know I'm bi because I'm not letting on to anything.
None of my family knows except maybe my sister who may or may not have caught on in passing, but she ain't even going to say anything until she knows fo show.
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Teh Ebil Snorlax
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I've come out to a lot of my friends but no one in my family. I don't see the need to cause conflict in my family unless I want to have a relationship with a guy and I've been going out with a girl for eleven months (and don't intend on changing that).
The first three people I told all took it differently. My first friend was proud of me for coming out, the second was delighted that she had another LGBT friend and the third was quiet and said nothing because he's a homophobic prick.
All of the others, including my girlfriend, who's bi, were surprised but supportive.
Actually, J.T. said it's illegal in Massachusetts.
Flora
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Not yet, you can burn it next semester :D
This is incredibly sad though. I think one of my teachers told my sister that if one person in a couple can't have children, then they can't get married. Which is just, you know, stupid.
NWT said:
there was a bit where I thought i was bi but then decided i was straight (pretty sure I'm bi though), and during that period where i thought i was bi, my sister found out (through this forum cause she randomly stalks my posts) and talked to me about it. She was pretty cool about it, but my family in general is very "~ACCEPTANCE FOR ALL~" so.
Actually, I kinda worded my response badly. I said that the discrimination was legal. Shoulda made that more clear.
Teh Ebil Snorlax
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Yeah, and, as J.T. said, discrimination in the workplace is illegal in Mass. Am I missing something here?
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