Over 80 dead in Norway terrorist attack

[Ether's Bane]

wow, that's pretty awesome. he must have been good with his rifle. i wonder how he managed to do that and what his message is...

now now, i know it was tragic and my condolences go to Norway, but it is something to step back and intellectually study

/notsureifsarcasmortrolling

 

[leo33wii]

i'm not being sarcastic nor am i trolling. i'm serious here. it's amazing that such an event occurred. it's terrible how the children died, but it just amazes me how it was done... especially by one individual. i would like to know why he done what he done, was it politically driven or was he trying to say something else or did he just want to see things burn?

myself, i like to see things burn, i like chaos. chaos generates a lot of energy which than lead to some type of order. personal feelings aside:

i would like to say "wow, impressive... must have unlocked some type of achievement on xbox live somewhere for this... what a combo... and what a monster."

 

[Tarvos]

And religion is not a prerequisite for this. See: Stalinist Russia, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, etc.

Yes, surely you can commit atrocities under other doctrines as well, but more than plenty are religiously inspired and it's safe to say the world would be a lot better off without it. That you can commit atrocities for other reasons too doesn't mean religion isn't the cause of a lot of them nor that it is a pernicious influence on society.

 

[Worst Username Ever]

i would like to say "wow, impressive... must have unlocked some type of achievement on xbox live somewhere for this... what a combo... and what a monster."

Really? This is not the time for jokes.

 

[Saith]

Yes, surely you can commit atrocities under other doctrines as well, but more than plenty are religiously inspired and it's safe to say the world would be a lot better off without it. That you can commit atrocities for other reasons too doesn't mean religion isn't the cause of a lot of them nor that it is a pernicious influence on society.

We should, like, totally get rid of opinions, right? Apathy: The only truly moral code.

 

[Rose]

i would like to say "wow, impressive... must have unlocked some type of achievement on xbox live somewhere for this... what a combo... and what a monster."

He did it with a bag, an automatic, and a whole bunch of clips. It was simple, and in no way "impressive". His supposed message was against Islam, and liberal immigration laws. The death toll has risen, it is at the moment 93, although I don't know if there are still injured dying in the hospital.

I would also like to say, an achievement is what you get for destroying pixels. It is what you get for destroying something attacking you, or perhaps what is set as a goal in a video game. This is life, and there is no achievement for killing so many people, in such a cruel way.

I have been following the case as it has developed, and well not deny things like this fascinate me, but I would never say impressive. This is sad, and this is sick. It should not be seen as a badge of honor, or a achievement, but a badge of shame.

 

[Tarvos]

We should, like, totally get rid of opinions, right? Apathy: The only truly moral code.

No, we should get rid of _methods of thinking_ that are not evidence-based. Just because you have an opinion does not mean it's justified.

 

[Saith]

No, we should get rid of _methods of thinking_ that are not evidence-based. Just because you have an opinion does not mean it's justified.

The problem here is that the belief that we should only base our beliefs on evidence isn't, you know, supported by evidence. If a system of thinking cannot stand up to it's own standard, it's implicitly incorrect.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

wow, that's pretty awesome. he must have been good with his rifle. i wonder how he managed to do that and what his message is...

now now, i know it was tragic and my condolences go to Norway, but it is something to step back and intellectually study

i'm not being sarcastic nor am i trolling. i'm serious here. it's amazing that such an event occurred. it's terrible how the children died, but it just amazes me how it was done... especially by one individual. i would like to know why he done what he done, was it politically driven or was he trying to say something else or did he just want to see things burn?

myself, i like to see things burn, i like chaos. chaos generates a lot of energy which than lead to some type of order. personal feelings aside:

i would like to say "wow, impressive... must have unlocked some type of achievement on xbox live somewhere for this... what a combo... and what a monster."

Haha wow man you are on a roll, you are so edgy I'm cutting myself on every side of your post. 94 people were killed by a sociopath for no good reason three days ago, this is hilarious and a perfect time to espouse your bullshit faux-anarchist tendencies or whatever.

Breivik made a car bomb explode in downtown Oslo, killing seven people. Then he disguised himself as a policeman, went to the island where this Socialist youth camp was, rallied people around under the pretext of asking them about the bombing and proceeded to open fire on them. Then, people tried to escape from the island but couldn't because it's a fucking island. Some people drowned trying to swim away. People had to hide under piles of bodies and pretend to be dead. One girl had to hide amongst the corpses of her friends, in the water, for two hours.
He killed them for no reason other than to make a statement about the atrocities of multiculturalism/Islamisation and 'Marxists' because he's a Neo-Nazi Christian fundamentalist. He's not good. He lured people out by pretending to be an officer of the law and shot them in cold blood. I'm not saying he's not intelligent or dedicated but you don't have to be the world's best marksman to trick some teenagers into going into the line of your crosshairs.

He sure is fucking awesome, you idiot.

 

[Butterfree]

The problem here is that the belief that we should only base our beliefs on evidence isn't, you know, supported by evidence. If a system of thinking cannot stand up to it's own standard, it's implicitly incorrect.

That's so wrong it's almost impressive. The belief that we should base our beliefs upon evidence is basically the scientific method, and the evidence for the validity of the scientific method includes everything we know about the universe today. If the scientific method didn't work better than religious faith or whatever other reason for believing things, we wouldn't see science discovering new things and making our lives better all the time while religious books still tell us things we know to be untrue. Hell, believing something because you've seen it with your own eyes is belief based on evidence. If you reject the notion of evidence, you've rejected the entire idea of rational thinking about the world.

That aside, this is an unbelievable tragedy and my heart goes out to Norwegians.

 

[Light]

@Tarvos: Christianity is not an excuse for killing 90 people. Islam is not an excuse for driving an airplane into a building. These are psychopaths we are dealing with.

 

[leo33wii]

well, seeing that i'm in the army, people do get awards and ribbons for kill a large number people in almost the exact same style. but that's beside the point.

but i want to study the mind of the man who did this, i'm pretty sure he appears like a good samaritan on the outside (like ted bundy before he attacked his victims). a man like this is claiming reason for this based on religion. is he really telling the truth? he's a sociopath, of course he's aware what people think of him and his actions.
i mean, he did plan this out, and i'm sure that he planned far enough to suggest to the public that he a lunatic...
i'm sure he would rather be tried as a lunatic instead as sane person, since, we all know, a sane person can comprehend their own actions and be responsible for them.
this is what fascinates me and amazes me as well. it's "awesome" as in, it put me in "awe."

i suppose it's too soon for jokes. i'm not the type of person who gets on my moral high horse and act PC. i understad that it's tragic, but there is no need to be so serious about it. of course it was wrong for the shooter to do what he did, and he'll be punished for it.
but i won't take back my joke.

 

[opaltiger]

a man like this is claiming reason for this based on religion. is he really telling the truth?

Er, no. He was politically motivated.

 

[leo33wii]

i'm sure that this guy did because he wanted to. He's going to lie about it being political or religious, or a mixture of whatever. he just wants to do less time. that's what i think.
i mean, if i were to put myself where i was motivated to this act, i'm sure i would have planned this out quite well.
he seems to be a reasonable man, who will play with peoples emotions and make them think about their own morals. his trial well come up and i know the media will be covering it.
then well have another "casey anthony sitcom drama"
there was no reason for the casey anthony trial to go national, yes it was sad that a little girl died, but there are millions of children in america who go missing or killed, i don't really care.
mostly, i was disgusted by the people who "gossiped" about the casey anthony trail, even the media disgusted me. first names were used, like "will casey speak at the stand?" the media made it into a court room drama for americans to watch and gossip about. which is another awesome event... ;(

but now i rambling again.

 

[opaltiger]

Have you actually read anything he's said? He fully expects to spend the rest of his life in jail, I think. He knew exactly what he was doing, and the consequences, and he did it anyway to try and send his message. That's the scary part: how utterly rational he seems to be.

 

[Tarvos]

@Tarvos: Christianity is not an excuse for killing 90 people. Islam is not an excuse for driving an airplane into a building. These are psychopaths we are dealing with.

Well, that's my point, only if it's religion, it's allowed. Religion is accepted schizophrenia in numbers.

Furthermore the fact that it is not an excuse (I am aware, sigh, sigh), doesn't mean it's not used as such. So Breivik has political motives, fine. He's still motivated by hatred for Islam and perpetuating the religious divide between secular (originally pagan, then Christian) Norway and Islam.

Religion is always going to be used as an excuse for something. If you can believe in something absurd it's not a big step anymore to commit something absurd.

Voltaire, again, as I quoted before.

 

[Rose]

If you ask me he is both insane and politically motivated, but I wouldn't say sociopath, because he has admitted to being wrong, just not being criminally wrong. If he was a sociopath he wouldn't be able to understand how what he did was wrong, and would never admit to it.

He said he wanted to bring about a revolution, and that in order to do so he did something atrocious, however he still said it was atrocious. A sociopath wouldn't do that, because a sociopath couldn't see anything wrong with what they did.

What I see him as right now is someone that thinks they were justified in what they did. He is calm because he has done what he feels needed to be done. If he lacked a conscious he wouldn't have said he was wrong, but because he has a conscious he did what he thought would suit his idea of the "greater good".


And you are right, people do get awards and ribbons for going out and killing large groups of people, but you have to realize. Those people that you are killing, they shot back. These kids, they don't shot back.

 

[opaltiger]

The title is inaccurate now, too - the death toll's been lowered to 76. Still horrifying, of course, but a little better nonetheless.

 

[Rose]

76 is much better then the 93 they had yesterday.

 

[Elliekat]

My mom wouldn't believe me when I told her that a Christian did it. She kept saying things like "but a Christian would never do that!" and "I'm a Christian, so I know that the person who did it wasn't a true Christian."