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Of course I'm not forcing you to do anything if you don't want to, but seriously, what have you got to lose? Five seconds of your life?
But you just said that "..You don't even need 31 IV's in every stat." If it's not necessary, how is having it creating an "unfair advantage?"
If you had an AR you'd probably manipulate your SID, write it on paper, and be hacking buckets of shiny pokemon to save the time and effort. I don't really(nor do I have any desire to) understand how the process works, but if you're trying to find your SID then yeah you'd have to catch/hatch that pokemon.
That's the thing though.. they want them so that they have a stat-advantage. I deliberately make my pokemon without 31/31/31/31/31/31 for that exact reason, because it's not fair on the people I battle..
They're random if you don't know about them and just play through the game--what pokémon you encounter are determined by the RNG, and therefore the EV's any pokémon gets for fighting a given battle are also random. Unless, of course, you know about EV's, and therefore only go through the fights that the RNG give you that you like. While the game gives you items that can be used to manipulate those values, it still doesn't tell you anything about them and doesn't allow you to see them. As for the difference between the two tyranitars at lv. 100, there was no way for you to confirm that those differences weren't random.
Well, you don't have to breed to exploit the PRNG, so I'd say it's exploiting the pokémon generation method in general. As for hidden stat modifiers, there aren't any besides EV's and IV's; not sure what I was thinking of when I wrote that.
So the reason that people want something is what makes it bad? I'd also hesitate to make such a general statement as "all people who do this do it for X reason." Me, I'd be motivated to do it not so that I have an advantage over people who don't, but rather so that I wouldn't be at a disadvantage against people who do, since they'd be the ones I'd be fighting most of the time.
It's the algorithm that the Pokémon games use to generate "random" numbers.
I guess, but to a degree.. Only certian pokemon appear in the same area, and everyon has to travel through those same areas to finish the game. Everyone is exposed to the same species of pokemon, just a different amount of times.
No, it's the reason why they want it; to have better stats than most people so that they stand a better chance of winning. With EV's.. well we're all limited to 510, it's fair, we can't change that. Having an extra 31/31/31/31/31/31 in all stats.. it's not something we have a lot of control over.
The moment you step into WiFi or something, there's a really high chance you'll be againts someone who hacks, or has manipulated their pokemon's EV's. xD
Eh, really? I don't know about that... I'll level high-level stuff there already, sure, but most of those already have the majority of their EV's filled out from lower-level training. There are faster ways of leveling that some people use, and I'm sure that different people do it differently, especially at relatively low level. I'm not sure that this statement really holds up.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. I'm just sort of boggled that it actually makes a difference to you *why* somebody chooses to do this when the end result is the same. I guess I see a distinction between the process itself and the people who use it. It's just a process; you could certainly argue that it's wrong to use it just to take advantage of people who don't, but saying that using it is wrong because some people might choose to use it in this way doesn't make sense to me. It's sort of like how I'm not anti-baseball bat, despite the fact that some people use baseball bats to kill others.
People have argued for that sort of thing more than once... that's what their April Fool's joke was based on, actually.
Well I don't know about you, but before I knew any better, I used to hatch the pokemon, slap exp. share on it at level 1 (or it used to be lv.5 back then), and then gogo-Elite-4 until it was like level 80-90.
What else would they be using it for? To make their pokemon look sexy?
Well like I said, shinies don't bother me because it's just a color and I don't see anything unfair in having different colored pokemon. If people are curious as to how to the mechanics work, then I don't blame them, they're people after all.
Hm, well they're funny people, whoever they are. ,x3
Well, yeah, shiny.
They don't, really, but better stats are not the only application of RNG manipulation.
Other than just to say that you were able to do it? IMO yeah, it actually would be useful in-game, too, if only to make getting good hidden powers much, much easier. Jolteon, for example, is much more usable in any arena, including the battle tower and so forth, with hidden power grass or ice, and breeding to get a decent HP power and also decent stats.
Dunno, I actually think that they're probably pretty rare. Competitive battlers are already a fairly small percentage of the fandom, and the number of them that fit this description is even smaller. Saying that everyone is like this seems more than a little bit of an overgeneralization.
It's just a color to me, if they were highly fluorescent and flashing in an attempt to cause seizures to your opponents, then maybe.. But they don't do that, so I don't mind. xP
They do, having those few extra points in speed to get a first hit in, or those few extra points in attack which caused the opponent to faint instead of being left on 3% HP.
You can say you did it without having to make multiple 31/31/31/31/31/31 pokemon; even then, non-competitive players who exploit it might start playing competitive and realize "hey I can use this exploit to my advantage".
I don't understand what you're saying here. I was responding to "better stats = greater chance to win" by saying that there other uses for the technique than to get better stats; then here you appear to be saying, "yeah, but look, you can use it to get better stats!" I don't see how that follows. Yes, you can use it to get better stats, but that's not the only (and certainly not the easiest) thing to do with it.
So? This is another case of the process being separate from the people who use it. Whether or not you're worried about people using this to their advantage in wi-fi battles, that's on them, not the technique itself. It's analogous to someone who decides he/she wants to learn about EV training for BT purposes, then realizes that doing it for wi-fi battles would be a good idea, just at a higher level.
Fine, but why do you feel it necessary to impose your idea of what is and is not fair on how other people choose to play their own games? If you don't want to face people who use this technique in battle, then just say that you don't, the same way that people request not to play hacks today. Whether or not you feel something something "should" be flawed--when it doesn't *have* to be from the standpoint of game mechanics--represents your own view of the way that the game should be played, but what does it matter to you whether other people conform to it?
The only other uses I could think of were manipulating stats for Hidden Power, which falls into better stats. I can't think of any other uses for this 'technique'. Again, if you could point some other uses out, that would be awesome.
Is killing a bunch of pokemon for stats actually comparable to exploiting a RNG? We know fully well what EV's, IV's, and the RNG is.
Well 1. Because i'm stubborn as hell, and 2. Because I just think that more people should think in a similar manner.
Shininess, as I've stated a few times.
IV's are more difficult to influence than EV's, but if you know enough about the way that the game works, both can be done. EV's are easier to understand and influence, but they still require exploring aspects of pokémon stats that are hidden to anyone not using a hacking device. In the past, yes, you could not directly influence IV's because a way to influence their generation was not known. However, in the past you also could not influence EV's because the rules governing their generation and distribution were not known.
To be honest, so do I. EV's are a cool strategic addition that allow for a lot of customization, but IV's are skill-independent and really only an excuse to cram in more grind hours for people who want good ones.
I just object to the characterization that people who want perfect pokémon are automatically losers with no skill who only want them so that they can crush other (it is implied somehow more skilled) players in battle. To me it smacks of the whole "I don't EV train my pokémon and I'm proud of it because people who EV train are losers!" nonsense.
That's certainly within your right, but I don't see how you have the high ground on this one. Unless you can actually script a restriction into battle, all you can ever do is "ask" someone not to do something, and possibly punish them if they do it. Obviously Smogon tournaments on Shoddy script in those restrictions, but for any wi-fi tournaments they hold all they can do is ask for no illegal hacks and for people to follow certain rules.
I don't know why you would think that. Check out a couple examples if you doubt that it's possible.
Negrek said:
Felidire said:
..Hence we influenced EV's without knowing, and never touched on IV's..?
But one is making 31/31/31/31/31/31 pokemon to crush people(and proud about winning), and the second one isn't training at all(being at a huge disadvantage). If the second guy can win, then lol, they should be proud imo.
Yeah but that involves having to crack open 200 different eggs, whereas all those eggs have 510 unspent EV's. Just breeding.. Is a normal part of the game.
