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Prop 8 Supporters Cowardly Wastes of Skin; Sky Blue; Water Wet

Heh. You know all the bazillions of money the Mormon church gave to support Prop 8 ("$96,849 for compensated staff time for church employees who worked on the campaign, $20,575 for the use of facilities and equipment at its Salt Lake City headquarters, $26,000 for audio-visual production and travel expenses")?

This is from the Church of Latter Day Saints' own doctrine. Am I the only one who finds it sickeningly hypocritical?
 
They also went to the houses of people who donated a lot to No on 8 to try and make them donate the same amount to Yes onn 8. If you didn't they'd basically harass you and call you discriminatory (?!!!) until you did or called the cops or something.
I hate Mormons.
 
Dannichu said:
Heh. You know all the bazillions of money the Mormon church gave to support Prop 8 ("$96,849 for compensated staff time for church employees who worked on the campaign, $20,575 for the use of facilities and equipment at its Salt Lake City headquarters, $26,000 for audio-visual production and travel expenses")?

This is from the Church of Latter Day Saints' own doctrine. Am I the only one who finds it sickeningly hypocritical?
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Out of curiosity, what about this is hypocritical? I come from an extremely devout LDS family. That being said, I myself am considered "inactive" in my religion, meaning I no longer attend meetings, however, I do know that the LDS church has a very strong stance against gay marriage. They believe marriage should be eternal, and only reserved for 1 man, and 1 woman. Meaning, they no longer believe in polygamy, that doctrine was recalled decades ago shortly after Brigham Young, the 2nd president who instated polygamy by "divine inspiration" died. People's views on the LDS culture are extremely skewed and archaic. This all being said,, why wouldn't this church try to preserve their beliefs by donating the necessary money and equipment to ban gay marriage. In no way is this hypocritical or bigotry, it's merely a group of people with a common belief assembling to protest something they do not believe in. I am pretty sure that is allowed by a certain document known as the U.S. constitution. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not some religious fanatic who thinks all gays should burn in hell.

In fact,

I'm "LDS"

I support Gay Marriage, love is love.

and finally, I'm pansexual, something that is explicitly forbidden in my religion.

Take a look at the facts of a religion before you go firing off accusations at them.
 
It's hypocritical/retarded because the quote explicitely says 'dude don't mix religion with politics and don't deny rights on individuals okay' and guess what the Mormon 'church' just did.

Plus why are you in the Latter Day Saints if you're pansexual and pro-gray marriage anyway those things aren't exactly kosher it's like if I said 'I'm a muslim, but damn these baconators are great'
+ Joseph Smith was a horny fraud etc etc
 
I'm not saying that them taking away that right isn't wrong. The LDS church, just like all churches has its faults. For instance, they rationalized this out by saying that this wasn't about politics, that it was in fact about religion. However, them trying to preserve their beliefs in a world which they believe is quickly on the path to moral decay is, in my opinion, not hypocritical of them. While they did take away people's free agency, which is a contradiction of their beliefs, they did it on behalf of there belief of modern revelation and communication by God. They may be wrong in what they did, but it was what they believed to be best. Don't hate the whole of the church for something a few members did wrong. Mormon people are actually some of the most accepting people around. Except for the fanatics who try and make a name for themselves by hating anything that doesn't fit directly into their doctrine.

Obviously, if the church was so hypocritical I would not still be a member. I believe in the basic principles of the LDS church, not in the members who make up the church as a whole. That is why I'm still a "member"
 
But it's not to do with the church. I could understand it if the CoLDS were against the government making them perform or bless same-sex marriages, but they're not. It doesn't affect their practices one bit.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but religious teachings in general tend to cover everything; money, sex, politics, children, food, women and so on. I'm sorry if this seems like I'm attacking you, but claiming that marraige rights for gay people is "religion, not politics", would mean that one could make the argument for everything being about religion rather than politics, thus conveniently ignoring D&C sec. 134.
 
I don't feel as though you're attacking me, so no worries. ^^


The thing that you don't understand here about LDS culture, is that they do view literally everything in a religious sense. Even right from the start, that "scripture" was looked over. I mean, hell Joseph Smith, the founder of the LDS religion, ran for President of the United States. The fact that they are choosing to interpret that passage incorrectly is not a new development. And I agree whole-heartedly that they used there political influence for the wrong reason. They took away the choice of free agency, something that is a cornerstone belief in the LDS "Plan of Salvation". Believe me though, if their beliefs do happen to be true, then at the Final Judgement, when they have to stand before their God and Christ, they will be punished.

As I stated before, don't hate the whole of the Church for something a few members did. That's offensive, and just as discriminatory as their action to pass the banning of gay marriage.

Don't let hate spawn hate. I don't hate the whole Catholic church just because a few priests were exposed as pedophiles, I simply hate the pedophiles in general. Don't hate the whole Mormon church just because a few members contradict the teachings, just hate the members.

After all, if you say you hate Mormons, then you're saying you hate me. And I believe I'm being very logical about all this, and am in fact, supporting Gay Marriage, because where I'm pansexual I very well may fall in love with a man, and if Gay Marriage is banned, that takes away my choice to marry the person I love.
 
Oreku said:
Don't let hate spawn hate. I don't hate the whole Catholic church just because a few priests were exposed as pedophiles, I simply hate the pedophiles in general. Don't hate the whole Mormon church just because a few members contradict the teachings, just hate the members.
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Child molesters/rapists, not pedophiles. [/nitpick]
 
Dezzuu said:
derp I'm religious but like to ignore things I don't like in my religion
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To nitpick also, as far as I know, being pan/homo/bisexual isn't forbidden under any religion; having sex with someone might be, but most religions (the RC Church does, and they're one of the strictest about this) recognise that people can't help being who they are.
 
Vlad is your avatar the Piglet-equivalent from that Russian Winnie the Pooh cartoon from ages ago whose name I forget
if so: fuckin' awesome


I've never understood "I don't fit any of this religion but my parents are part of it so our family is part of it so I must be part of it even if I've abandoned this and that and the other and..."

It bothers me a bit that the prop 8 supporters really believe that they're special, but it doesn't look like they're convincing much of anyone else so I don't really care.
 
Dannichu said:
To nitpick also, as far as I know, being pan/homo/bisexual isn't forbidden under any religion; having sex with someone might be, but most religions (the RC Church does, and they're one of the strictest about this) recognise that people can't help being who they are.
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... And? Being homosexual and not being able to act upon it because of a stupid religious "rule" sounds inhumane to me. It's essentially the same situation. "Yeah, you can be gay, but you still have to have hetero sex, or no sex at all."

I'm not really trying to sound like a jerk (I certainly know what you're saying) but the fact is that it doesn't matter.

And I know for a fact most Christians abhor gay marriage. I don't know if that's worse or better than sodomy, but ... yeah. Not lookin' so great.
 
Zhorken said:
Vlad is your avatar the Piglet-equivalent from that Russian Winnie the Pooh cartoon from ages ago whose name I forget
if so: fuckin' awesome
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yup

and yes it is 100 times better than the American version. i love how vinni is a total dick completely on purpose. i'm raising my kids on old soviet cartoons.
 
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