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SSB Choice Mafia (N3)
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I liek Squirtles
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Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
... I forget my point.
We might as well take this info with a grain of salt. It's quite specific, but it could easily turn out to be a mafia misleading us with bogus roles while clearing their name by the same token.
Pika Pika. Pi Pikachu. Pika Pi.
... I forget my point.
Not so much when it can just be countered by claiming right away, as we have seen done here. It would take a hell lot more balancing for a player to get plopped this much information in a single day.
We might as well take this info with a grain of salt. It's quite specific, but it could easily turn out to be a mafia misleading us with bogus roles while clearing their name by the same token.
ole_schooler
This WILL be the last time you see me.
Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
Well, at least in terms of Phantom's claim, I can help. As Kirby, I can take on another player's powers for a night (I don't steal them, just "borrow" for one night). I'm limited to once for each player, but I can at least see if they have the power they say they do. Can't tell alignment, but it's something. And, if anyone has any ideas for questions, I've got one free go at this.
In terms of the flavor-text for the death, it sounds to me like the victim got beat up and died of their wounds. "Torn and maimed beyond recognition" hardly indicates a method other than trauma. Frankly, I don't think that eliminates anyone, as all SSB players have the ability to punch, kick, and otherwise injure each other.
Oh, wait, I should be more in character. HIIIIIIII! *waves*
Well, at least in terms of Phantom's claim, I can help. As Kirby, I can take on another player's powers for a night (I don't steal them, just "borrow" for one night). I'm limited to once for each player, but I can at least see if they have the power they say they do. Can't tell alignment, but it's something. And, if anyone has any ideas for questions, I've got one free go at this.
In terms of the flavor-text for the death, it sounds to me like the victim got beat up and died of their wounds. "Torn and maimed beyond recognition" hardly indicates a method other than trauma. Frankly, I don't think that eliminates anyone, as all SSB players have the ability to punch, kick, and otherwise injure each other.
Oh, wait, I should be more in character. HIIIIIIII! *waves*
ole_schooler
This WILL be the last time you see me.
Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
I'm assuming that's directed at me, so here goes: 1) I claimed now because more information = earlier accurate lynching, 2) alerting myself to the healer(s) as well as Mafia, 3) splitting the Mafia's focus between myself and Phantom (assuming they aren't Mafia), making them have to choose the greater threat (someone who can get answers, or someone who can do anything once) and making it more likely that information will be gotten. (Of course, if everyone decides to lynch Phantom, this is all moot, except the bit about the healer(s).)
Now, if this had been an inspector or healer that claimed, I'd not have said what I was doing, as inspectors are easily proved by their actions and healers should never claim anyway. As it is, while a questioner role is useful (we can tell if there's an alien, how many Mafia are left, that sort of thing) they can't help with an actual lynch, so can't be checked. And my role is only useful if someone claims or I get lucky. Anyway, that's why I made a target of myself. I would like to lynch somebody, but I've accepted that it's hard to do that on the first day.
And punches and kicks do tear tissue; that's how bruises are formed. With enough force or repeated pummeling, a body could be torn and maimed.
I'm assuming that's directed at me, so here goes: 1) I claimed now because more information = earlier accurate lynching, 2) alerting myself to the healer(s) as well as Mafia, 3) splitting the Mafia's focus between myself and Phantom (assuming they aren't Mafia), making them have to choose the greater threat (someone who can get answers, or someone who can do anything once) and making it more likely that information will be gotten. (Of course, if everyone decides to lynch Phantom, this is all moot, except the bit about the healer(s).)
Now, if this had been an inspector or healer that claimed, I'd not have said what I was doing, as inspectors are easily proved by their actions and healers should never claim anyway. As it is, while a questioner role is useful (we can tell if there's an alien, how many Mafia are left, that sort of thing) they can't help with an actual lynch, so can't be checked. And my role is only useful if someone claims or I get lucky. Anyway, that's why I made a target of myself. I would like to lynch somebody, but I've accepted that it's hard to do that on the first day.
And punches and kicks do tear tissue; that's how bruises are formed. With enough force or repeated pummeling, a body could be torn and maimed.
Karkat Vantas
Virile God-Snake Tower of Masculinity
Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
The reason Phantom couldn't possibly want to roleclaim so early in the game is simple.
1) Her information shows there is a mafia converter and a mafia bodyguard.
2) She has a power role (a variation on the inspector, to be specific).
3) She is a miller.
Because she knows there is a mafia converter, roleclaiming makes her a prime target for the mafia converter; there's no way to tell if she's been converted short of killing her, and she might be able to assist the mafia with investigations (maybe; I'm not sure about the details of the converter role, but if it works like I think it does, she should be able to use her powers).
If she wanted to roleclaim, she would have only revealed point 1, which would make her appear to be an informed vanilla. She could then act as an oracle in private, then reveal the information when she had found a lead.
So, in short, there really isn't any reason for Phantom to diverge all that information short of being scum, so I think it's fairly obvious she's mafia.
The reason Phantom couldn't possibly want to roleclaim so early in the game is simple.
1) Her information shows there is a mafia converter and a mafia bodyguard.
2) She has a power role (a variation on the inspector, to be specific).
3) She is a miller.
Because she knows there is a mafia converter, roleclaiming makes her a prime target for the mafia converter; there's no way to tell if she's been converted short of killing her, and she might be able to assist the mafia with investigations (maybe; I'm not sure about the details of the converter role, but if it works like I think it does, she should be able to use her powers).
If she wanted to roleclaim, she would have only revealed point 1, which would make her appear to be an informed vanilla. She could then act as an oracle in private, then reveal the information when she had found a lead.
So, in short, there really isn't any reason for Phantom to diverge all that information short of being scum, so I think it's fairly obvious she's mafia.
Chief Zackrai
pingpong wixard
Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
Well, (beep) if we are following Ole_Schooler's philosophy, (beep) we can only suspect those who fight with physical attacks mainly. (beep) So I would say that the only ones possible (beep) for elimination from suspicion are Pikachu (if you (beep) think about it his main attack is thunderbolt (beep)), and Solid Snake. (beep) Snake only though because he tends to (beep) attack with ranged attacks. [BEEP]
But I didn't put a lot of (beep) research into this. [BEEP]
Well, (beep) if we are following Ole_Schooler's philosophy, (beep) we can only suspect those who fight with physical attacks mainly. (beep) So I would say that the only ones possible (beep) for elimination from suspicion are Pikachu (if you (beep) think about it his main attack is thunderbolt (beep)), and Solid Snake. (beep) Snake only though because he tends to (beep) attack with ranged attacks. [BEEP]
But I didn't put a lot of (beep) research into this. [BEEP]
Karkat Vantas
Virile God-Snake Tower of Masculinity
Light
Night Zero
Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
Karkat has a point. Even if Phantom isn't mafia already, it's likely she will be soon and can start giving us misinformation. If that happens, we won't know what was true and what wasn't. And really, I don't think Phantom would be the kind of person to not reveal her role strategically if she's innocent. (Of course, she could want to get converted.)
Phantom
Karkat has a point. Even if Phantom isn't mafia already, it's likely she will be soon and can start giving us misinformation. If that happens, we won't know what was true and what wasn't. And really, I don't think Phantom would be the kind of person to not reveal her role strategically if she's innocent. (Of course, she could want to get converted.)
Phantom
Chief Zackrai
pingpong wixard
Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
Right, (beep), but I was just operating on the theory (beep) we want to find the person that performed this killing. (beep) I'm not trying to insinuate (beep) that that is going to be a general rule (beep) for everyone and that Snake and Pikachu can't be mafia, (beep), but I was trying to find the killer in this scenario. [BEEP]
Right, (beep), but I was just operating on the theory (beep) we want to find the person that performed this killing. (beep) I'm not trying to insinuate (beep) that that is going to be a general rule (beep) for everyone and that Snake and Pikachu can't be mafia, (beep), but I was trying to find the killer in this scenario. [BEEP]
Karkat Vantas
Virile God-Snake Tower of Masculinity
DarkAura
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Flora
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Re: SSB Choice Mafia (D1)
Millers only show up Mafia on inspection, IIRC.
I'm a tad hesitant to lynch Phantom, though. Not voting either way yet.
(I dunno how to be in character either, since I've never played Mother 3 (NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Thanks for not localizing it *sadface))
Millers only show up Mafia on inspection, IIRC.
I'm a tad hesitant to lynch Phantom, though. Not voting either way yet.
(I dunno how to be in character either, since I've never played Mother 3 (NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Thanks for not localizing it *sadface))