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2001/9/11 Tribute

It's pretty sad that all those people were killed. I agree with what Charizard2K said. If we just forget all the bad moments in history, they're apt to happen again. Countries that don't remember the Holocaust have had incidents of gencocide themselves. It's not Muslims we have a problem with, either, it's people who hate our government and are willing to kill countless innocent people to get their point across.

It's not necessarily the loss your own family members that can cause grief, either. Many soldiers in war mention the pain they feel after they kill people (All quiet on the western front, anyone?) because even though they don't know the person they killed, they know that somewhere out there that person has a spouse, parents, and children who will wonder why that person never came home. It's the same concept here. I feel bad - sure, I'm not breaking down crying or anything, but I do feel remorse - for the families that were torn apart by the disaster, even if my own family was personally unaffected.

We had a moment of silence today at the cross-country meet. I'll be honest, I was more concerned with finding the stopwatch so I could time the freshman, so I wasn't really thinking about it, and I feel bad about that. Pwnemon, good job posting this. I agree that the event should be remembered so that we will remember how it affected our nation and try to prevent it from ever happening again.
 
Yeah, sorry, people move on. They get over it. It was an awful event, but going to pieces over it every year I think is a poor way to keep the memories of the people who died. I mean seriously, who the hell wants people greeting every year over something that happened nine years ago? It should be remembered, yes, but not on this ridiculous NEVER FORGET!!!! scale.

We don't sit and announce to random people that 'the Pearl Harbour attack happened today, you know', or that 'the Dunblane massacre was 14 years ago today'. Terrible things happen all the time. It's okay to just know that they did.
 
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Dannichu said:
YES. Which, in turn, spawned one of the greatest films ever.
Stephen Fry <3
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Stephen Fry was in V for Vendetta? I should really watch that film.

I agree that the event should be remembered so that we will remember how it affected our nation and try to prevent it from ever happening again.
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Invading two countries probably wasn't a good way of preventing it from ever happening again.

Maybe in time it will become like December 7th, where people stop and think "oh right that happened today." only after being reminded.
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I actually had to google that to find out what happened on December 7th.

You have a point there, especially if you use the analogy of the world wars. I think it's a fair guess to say that in 50 years, 9/11 will mainly be used to slag off Muslims, just as WWII is mostly commemorated by the "two world wars one world cup" crowd in England. In 100 years there probably won't be a single person left who feels a personal connection to the events, just as no-one really cares about WWI even though the death toll from that war likely dwarfs military casualties for any succeeding conflict.

It also doesn't help that British schoolchildren in the future will get confused about why November 9th was so important.

People care too much about 9/11 imho. HOLY SHIT 9/11 - THE MOMENT THAT DEFINED A DECADE AND CHANGED THE WORLD AS I KNOW IT. WE MUST NEVER FORGET.
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To be fair, in a few decades' time when historians can speak dispassionately about the years 2000-2010, 9/11 will almost certainly be regarded as crucial to the understanding of the period. It has changed the social and political climate in ways that we can better understand with a little perspective.
 
Wait, so I'm the only one who has a moment of silence on December 7th? My great-grandmother's best friend died that day.

Also, I loved All Quiet on the Western Front. .
 
I was closer to the WTC then pretty much anyone else on these forums and I can safely say that I find the whole "NEVER FORGET" thing to be ridiculous. Did your friends die? Okay, mourn all you want. But seriously, why are you getting your panties in a knot over this day if you live in Oklahoma? (picking a random non-eastern u.s. state)

If anything I'm pissed on 9/11 due to how much Islamophobia it caused.
 
Hey guess who lives in an Eastern US state Kam? Guess who lives less than an hour's drive away from the Pentagon?
 
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goldenquagsire said:
Stephen Fry was in V for Vendetta? I should really watch that film.
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It's excellent. opal and I were talking about how, in the film, it's a wonderful, "hell yeah!" moment when important British buildings get blown up, whereas if there was a film where someone blowing up The White House or the Empire State Building, was depicted as a good thing, the majority of people in America would go nuts.
Possibly why Britian treats the anniversary of the 7/7 bombings so differently to the US and 9/11?

To be fair, in a few decades' time when historians can speak dispassionately about the years 2000-2010, 9/11 will almost certainly be regarded as crucial to the understanding of the period. It has changed the social and political climate in ways that we can better understand with a little perspective.
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Yeah, from an academic perspective, 9/11 is a good 'before' and 'after' point, particularly if you're looking at topics like terrorism or man-made disasters. It caused a cultural shift, no doubt, but that in itself is no reason for exaggerated commemoration.
 
No, but 3000 people did, and we should honor their deaths.

Ironically, I was born in Oklahoma.
 
Pwnemon said:
No, but 3000 people did, and we should honor their deaths.
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At least 230,000 died as a result of the recent earthquake in Haiti - are you going to honour their deaths nine years from now? Or even on the 12th of January next year?
 
I guess that's where our views differ. I see it fit to honor the deaths of 3000 innocent people who died to Anti-American religious extremists and you think I shouldn't.
 
I suppose that is where my view will have to differ with you. I see it fit to honor dead people, where you see it fit only to honor killed people. hrml.
 
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I suppose that is where my view will have to differ with you. I see it fit to honor dead people, where you see it fit only to honor killed people. hrml.
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So you had a moment of silence then? Because IIRC these people are mostly dead.
 
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Dannichu said:
It's excellent. opal and I were talking about how, in the film, it's a wonderful, "hell yeah!" moment when important British buildings get blown up, whereas if there was a film where someone blowing up The White House or the Empire State Building, was depicted as a good thing, the majority of people in America would go nuts.
Possibly why Britian treats the anniversary of the 7/7 bombings so differently to the US and 9/11?
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I think it's also to do with culture in general. England is known for people having 'a stiff upper lip' and the phrase Keep Calm and Carry On is well known. After the IRA (a group of Irish extremists who want reclaim Northern Ireland) bombed a supermarket, people went back and shopped the next day as if nothing had happened, to show that the terrorists wouldn't intimidate them. It's wasn't disrespectful - if anything, it was to honour those who died by not letting the threats effect daily life.

Plus, on the topic of V for Vendetta; God I love that film. The dialogue is so spectacular I can hear V explaining to Evey that "a building's a symbol..." in my head right now. I feel that I should point out that Bonfire Night is remembered each year as the failure to blow up Parliament, although some people might celebrate the fact that someone tried. The only real day of remembrance we have is the 11th November, which is for the armed forces and the wars.
 
I thoroughly agree with the UK's 'keep calm and carry on' mentality - after the 7/7 bombings, people were waiting for the Tube like nothing had happened.

"There was a bombing yesterday."
"Yes, well, that was yesterday and this is today. And today, I'm going to be late for work."

It is a much healthier way to mourn by carrying on and holding your head up high. People should be remembered by not letting these things get to those who were left behind. It's okay to be sad, but it's useless to attempt to create some international mourning event over one terrible thing.

We'd be sad every day of our lives if that was what people did. :/
 
Pwnemon said:
Hey guess who lives in an Eastern US state Kam? Guess who lives less than an hour's drive away from the Pentagon?
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Guess who's father was nearly killed because he worked in that section on the Pentagon at the time? The only reason he wasn't caught up in it is that is was called to another office last second.

Pwnemon, it's time to get over it. It's time to respect Muslims again. It's time to show the terrorists that they can't terroize us. It's time to act like America again, the land of the free and the home of the brave, wounded ego or no wounded ego.

What we're doing in the Middle East is making it worse.

What we're doing to our Muslim citizens is making it worse.

We're letting it get to us. We can't let it get to us.
 
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