Vladimir Putin's LJ
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Wait I just noticed this what the hell.
Abortive surgery is effective since you remove the fetus. It can't sustain itself because it leeches off the mother so it ceases to be.
So um.
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Abortion
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Abortive surgery is effective since you remove the fetus. It can't sustain itself because it leeches off the mother so it ceases to be.
So um.
Amaguq
Keyblades kick a$$
One word: ABSTINENCE!!!
If you want to abort your child, go ahead. If you abort it before it is three months into development, then there is nothing wrong because there is no conscious. But after that, I wouldn't want to live with that on my shoulders. And if rape is involved, then by all means get that b******'s seed out of you. Ugh. *shivers*
If you want to abort your child, go ahead. If you abort it before it is three months into development, then there is nothing wrong because there is no conscious. But after that, I wouldn't want to live with that on my shoulders. And if rape is involved, then by all means get that b******'s seed out of you. Ugh. *shivers*
EvilCrazyMonkey
will be the prettiest little girl since Zac Efron.
What's wrong with having sex?
Are you saying that it should only be for those who want children?
Cows are conscious.
Should we stop eating hamburgers because we're killing something conscious?
Well some other people wouldn't mind.
Why should you decide for other people?
Is a rapist's fetus different than a regular one, aside from genes?
Vladimir Putin's LJ
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EvilCrazyMonkey
will be the prettiest little girl since Zac Efron.
Some people think gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, so arguments against it are dumb points.
Some people think abortion shouldn't be allowed, so arguments against it are dumb points.
Some people think religion tied with government shouldn't be allowed, so arguments against it are dumb points.
But should we have a group of people decide for those women who don't mind?
Vladimir Putin's LJ
your blood flows through my veins
That's not what I said.
I'm talking about women who have an abortion and are pro-choice and all. The way you worded it made it seem that no pro-choice woman getting an abortion gave half a shit about it. Lots of women find it a very traumatic experience.
Oh and I'm pro-choice too so you don't have to get all high and mighty on me tyia
EvilCrazyMonkey
will be the prettiest little girl since Zac Efron.
That's very clearly what you said; maybe not so much what you meant.
I know that people are concerned about getting abortions.
Though I guess my lack of emotions is getting in the way of my arguments (which I find ironic, usually it's the opposite); I would have the cleanest conscious in the world if I had an abortion (of course that assumes I magically turn female).
I know that people are concerned about getting abortions.
Though I guess my lack of emotions is getting in the way of my arguments (which I find ironic, usually it's the opposite); I would have the cleanest conscious in the world if I had an abortion (of course that assumes I magically turn female).
Vyraura
Finntroller
I think this is the key point here, guys.
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Actually, no. Let's look at the quotes in question:
The first quote is straightforward. The next two are important. In the second, VPLJ "that" refers to your first point, ie. Quote #1. In Quote #3, you're using this structure:
Some people think x shouldn't be allowed, so arguments against it [not allowing x, ie. arguments for allowing it] are dumb points.
This is not the same thing that VPLJ said in Quote #2, however. Leaving aside that no one mention not being allowed to it hamburgers, but merely not eating them, there is this point. You seem to think VPLJ is saying
Some people think eating hamburgers shouldn't be allowed, therefore arguments against it [arguments against not eating hamburgers, that is] are dumb.
This only holds, however if the "that" in Quote #2 is an argument against not eating hamburgers; since it refers to Quote #1 (or, rather, the first part of Quote #2 in which VPLJ states that some people think we should, in reference to Quote #1), this is clearly not the point; indeed, the contrary is true.
There's also the fact that you used terrible examples which aren't equivalent at all, that I suspect VPLJ's initial points referred more to the contrary nature of Quote #1, which seemed to be asking a rhetorical question to which you assumed the answer was "no"; VPLJ merely pointed out that many people would answer "yes". This being the argument on which your statement rested, it was therefore rendered void.
QED.
EvilCrazyMonkey
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Vladimir Putin's LJ
your blood flows through my veins
Not 'a while ago', in Portugal women had to do this up to last year. They really used to shove wires or coathangers up there to puncture the womb and get the fetus out while risking their life or health.
Then some doctors did something totally badass: thy stood up to The Man in their own special way. If a woman was pregnant and heard about these dcotors, she could ask for their help and they'd all get in a little boat, load it with all the necessary equipment and supplies and then they'd sail into Spanish or open waters and perform the abortion there.
I mean it's horrible that they had to resort to this but damn if it isn't hardcore.
Then some doctors did something totally badass: thy stood up to The Man in their own special way. If a woman was pregnant and heard about these dcotors, she could ask for their help and they'd all get in a little boat, load it with all the necessary equipment and supplies and then they'd sail into Spanish or open waters and perform the abortion there.
I mean it's horrible that they had to resort to this but damn if it isn't hardcore.
Dark Shocktail
Millachinchilla
It's either allow the abortion, or women will find a way. The rich will be able to travel overseas or pay doctors to do their surgery. Those who can't afford such treatments will pay hack doctors or get a coathanger wire to do it themselves. Endangering themselves in the process.
I'm pro-choice because I'd rather have the option openly available, then end up doing one of the above that applies to the less wealthy. In the end, it'd just create a blackmarket in abortions, with the more wealthy getting theirs professionally and the less wealthy having to take the back door.
Or you'd find a lot more babies abandoned on doorsteps, offloaded onto family members or leaving in homes where they feel unwanted.
I'm pro-choice because I'd rather have the option openly available, then end up doing one of the above that applies to the less wealthy. In the end, it'd just create a blackmarket in abortions, with the more wealthy getting theirs professionally and the less wealthy having to take the back door.
Or you'd find a lot more babies abandoned on doorsteps, offloaded onto family members or leaving in homes where they feel unwanted.
Not Meowth
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I'm trying not to envision how exactly this would be achieved. XD
But all good points well made, Milla. In some ways abortion is the lesser evil, and if it were banned it probably wouldn't stop a single abortion, and instead just create more and more criminals and cause people to harm themselves getting one through unorthodox, illegal means. Favourable by far to this would be better sex ed to cut down on unwanted pregnancies. (For instance, put everyone through that which I received, i.e. watching the same video about some guy with AIDS telling you to use a condom year after year. Not only will the idea of contraception and safe sex be drilled into them, but by the end they won't have been taught anything else, and most likely will barely know what sex is.)
The stuff in brackets didn't count, before anyone says what a crap idea it is. I know. =)
Dark Shocktail
Millachinchilla
I have to admit, my sex ed lessons didn't exist. It was more biology then how not to get pregnant/get STIs. Without my family's openness on the subject, I'd have a lot of questions concerning safe sex. Luckily for me they had answers ^_^
Several girls from my school have ended up pregnant. From what I know, most are keeping their babies. Hell, one girl posted up her baby scans onto Facebook, Myspace, Bebo etc. But that's a whole different topic on how cheap that is ><'''
Several girls from my school have ended up pregnant. From what I know, most are keeping their babies. Hell, one girl posted up her baby scans onto Facebook, Myspace, Bebo etc. But that's a whole different topic on how cheap that is ><'''
Not Meowth
Cat, are you drilling?
I, however, was once sent out of the room when someone on TV said "hanky panky". At the age of about 12/13. XD [/offtopic]
Harlequin
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You only hear about the ones who keep it, though. There are many, many more that have abortions and just never talk about it.
Vladimir Putin's LJ
your blood flows through my veins
They shove the bendy end of the coat-hanger in their genitals and try to pierce the womb.
When abortion was still illegal in Portugal, lots of women had to do this, and suffer horribly, often getting infections and/or ending up dead. Eventually there was that story with the doctors and the boat that's pretty
And yeah, you never know when a girl may have had an abortion if she had it early in the fetus' developing process.
Dannichu
Tragically unbeyachted.
I agree muchly with Dark Shocktail and Mike. The absolute best way to cut down on the number of abortions needed is to help more sexually active people (mostly teenagers) not get pregnant.
As I've rambled about before, the US has nearly double the rate of teen pregnancies compared to the Uk, which has the highest rate in Europe. Why? I think it's the embarassment about telling kids about sex (which is much less prevelant in most of Europe: hey guys - teenagers are going to have sex. You might as well tell them how to protect themselves) coupled with ludicrous sex ed programmes like "abstinance only".
And better healthcare. In the UK, clinics visits are free, condoms are free and readily available to whoever wants them, doctor's appointments/consultations are free and the contraceptive pill is free, and it's all completely confidential. Honestly, I think abortion rates would drop significantly if options like these were made available to everyone in the US.
As I've rambled about before, the US has nearly double the rate of teen pregnancies compared to the Uk, which has the highest rate in Europe. Why? I think it's the embarassment about telling kids about sex (which is much less prevelant in most of Europe: hey guys - teenagers are going to have sex. You might as well tell them how to protect themselves) coupled with ludicrous sex ed programmes like "abstinance only".
And better healthcare. In the UK, clinics visits are free, condoms are free and readily available to whoever wants them, doctor's appointments/consultations are free and the contraceptive pill is free, and it's all completely confidential. Honestly, I think abortion rates would drop significantly if options like these were made available to everyone in the US.