Cats (2019) Mafia

[Tofu]

Also, vm wasn't lying about one of the two of us being vig.

 

[Tangrowth]

My schedule is something right now, my apologies all. Definitely will be around throughout the day as I balance work.

 

[Trebek]

that's probably NAI isn't it? w!herbe would know that emmy would come back with something making it clear she got [mafia] roleblocked (unless you're saying he just blames it on a hypothetical town roleblocker or something like that)

aw heck, you’re probably right, but part of me still wants to believe w!herbe would still have an easier time justifying 2 roleblockers than coming up with a fake role for a dead person

basically i’m TRing herbe for more reasons than just [redacted]

He didn’t actually come up with a fake role for a dead person, though? He went “oh I totally inspected ILS but I’m not going to tell you what his role was because it’d help the mafia”? Did I miss something?

i meant this more in the sense of like, if a herbe train happened again we would likely press him into revealing ILS’s role in order to clear himself, and he’d have to have thought about that ahead of time

can someone explain to me why we’re townreading rnp? roleblocker is a pretty much a scum role afaik. it seems weird to me that the idea that role might be scum aligned is just like, a possibility people are lightly entertaining

he said he was the jailer

did he? he said he jailed emmy, but he never said he was a jailer as far as i can tell, and he described his power as roleblocking and didn't specify anything else.

also, for the record, w!roleblocker can suuuper easily claim jailer the moment any mafia attack fizzles, so idk how i feel about rnp

 

[kyeugh]

currently looking at the player list and if i put aside vm/keldeo/herbe + my towncore right now, my list of *shrug* is kind of getting narrowed down... i have some kind of opinion on pretty much everyone there but koko. can anyone offer thoughts on em? i feel like stuff has been said but it's been sort of few and far between, and i don't think i have a strong feeling on em. feels like a bit of a blind spot for me.

 

[Butterfree]

To be honest I don’t see why jailer would be an exclusively-town role. For mafia it’s basically a nerfed roleblocker (can block townies, but the mafia can’t simultaneously attempt to kill them.

I think I’d rather keep my fishing brother under wraps just for the moment, because once the mafia knows both of us they’re likely to be able to stop the revenge shot and render our power moot - kill one of us and then block the other the next night, say - while revealing just one is pretty safe. But depending on where the discussion goes today we might have to anyway. We’ll see.

More thoughts coming later after work.

 

[mewtini]

won’t be able to properly post for a bit but i take back my rnp clear tbh, i realized something new lol. i was partly operating off of bias because when i looked “jailer” up it showed up as pro-town and that i vaguely liked rnp hard-claiming not cop but yeah

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

Also, vm wasn't lying about one of the two of us being vig.

confirming this

i only made that gambit because i knew one of us was the vigilante... i lied about lying about it because i figured the vig might get roleblocked but i guess the cat's out of the bag now (there's a good chance they might just waste a block on the wrong person anyway)

the thing about one of us being a watcher was a lie, i figured kyeugh might feasibly know who the vig is if she was a watcher, but only town!kyeugh would say "this isn't right, i'm the watcher actually" and mafia!kyeugh would come up with a different excuse. skylar's response to that test isn't one that makes me think it's impossible for her to be scum, but i am certainly more inclined to trust her for the time being

 

[kyeugh]

just done a quick iso on koko... i think i feel okay about em? a few things in particular:

herbe (8): keldeo, mewtini, trebek, VM, bfree, blu, koko, kyeugh
ultracool (3): tofu, rari, herbe
tofu (1): emmy
blu (1): ils
emmy (1): rnp

what is happening tbh

holy shit
uh

wasn't the reason we were doubtful of the ultracool wagon that nobody really seemed to be opposing it? and now the same thing is happening with herbe

i swear to god, if this is another v/v

this pings pretty towny to me.

what i’m asking myself about herbe rn is: if we think that we can get more information about his alignment in the future (be it through a cop check or just herbe posting more), which is more detrimental to town? killing off a v!rolecop, or letting a w!rolecop get another check off?

ooh this is a good point

probably the former tbqh

......swapping so close to eod probably doesn't look great for me, huh, but fine, Ultracool

(I still think Ultracool is less likely to be mafia but the town utility argument is a strong one)

i think this feels towny too? drawing attention to the optics of a vote change might be something a wolf would do, but meh, i think given that ultracool flipped red, e doesn't point out how it looks weird when switching to a scummate. wifom i guess but i feel okay about this, feels like a towny thought process to me.

oh

oh wait

it occurs to me that I may have been coming at this from completely the wrong angle

quick question, anyone can answer: on tcod, is it normal for people with non-compulsive non-investigative PRs to make use of them almost every night?

also i feel pretty good about this, haha. rip.

another thing is that e spent kind of a lot of time sticking up for ils in a point in the thread where iirc no one really had strong feelings about him one way or the other (maybe some light scumreading i guess but i think most everyone was null on him?). since he flipped town i think that's a good look for em, that sort of play would be sort of strange (albeit not impossible) for a wolf. i thiiiink i feel ok about koko all things considered here?

can someone remind me what the wagons are right now.

 

[kyeugh]

Also, vm wasn't lying about one of the two of us being vig.

i'm a little bit weirded out by this since you just shaded me for speculating about the vig role tbh.

i only made that gambit because i knew one of us was the vigilante... i lied about lying about it because i figured the vig might get roleblocked but i guess the cat's out of the bag now (there's a good chance they might just waste a block on the wrong person anyway)

this makes enough sense and is pretty much what i was thinking tbh. i think the test was a pretty good look for you in the end regardless.

 

[mewtini]

can someone remind me what the wagons are right now.

i think it’s still me/herbe on keldeo and mist/rari on VM

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

I think I'm going to drop a vote on RedneckPhoenix for now because if it turns out there was a mafia roleblocker practically openwolfing and we did nothing to stop that I'm going to be extremely angry

 

[kyeugh]

yeah i'm vibing with that tbh
redneckphoenix

 

[Vipera Magnifica]

and to elaborate on that thought, I think the pros of potentially removing a mafia roleblocker would outweigh the cons of potentially losing a jailer

 

[Tofu]

Last Saturday:

Emmy is just town and doesn't want to get lynched

This one is accurate.

bing bing wahoo
emmy

and today:

emmy

i'm not smart and emmy's been quiet so i'm just sticking to the one hunch i have

What is your problem with emmy
Why vote for her before and then jail/block/whatever you did
If you're town, it sure is... an annoying town

Parking on Redneckphoenix for now because what

 

[Tofu]

Sorry, I had typed up that thing without seeing those new posts on rnp. Nice.

 

[mewtini]

mmm
i'll join the train, sorry herbe
RNP

 

[mewtini]

If you're town, it sure is... an annoying town

i am paranoid because this was literally my logic last game and i proceeded to lynch rnp over a confirmed mafia but he does feel different this game/i think there's probably more reason to push here, at least for now

 

[kyeugh]

and i proceeded to lynch rnp over a confirmed mafia

 

[mewtini]

and i proceeded to lynch rnp over a confirmed mafia

kyeugh

 

[Trebek]

yeah i’m vibing with this. i wasn’t vibing as much earlier bc i’m used to jailer being a far more powerful role than it seems to be here (and honestly, i would rather take the risk of getting someone else to heal emmy than the risk of w!”jailer” repeatedly rbing emmy)

bing wahoo rnp