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Contest Pokémafia Spectacular! - Game Thread

It's true that some people were let down by myuma's latest performance. It's true that hate mail is just a thing that happens to the best of us sometimes. But gosh golly, who ever deserves to receive such a toxic letter?

As in, literally toxic, as it turns out.

At least, it's a good thing that the recipient may actually have deserved it after all.

myuma is dead. they were mafia.

24-hour time extension.
(EoD will be at our usual time, tomorrow)
 
holy shit...

well i will return to drafting my responses in a sec but this at least changes my general strategy for today, i will unvote for now
 
rip qenya but i don't think there's anything you could say to change my mind on wanting to see you flip rn, which must be extremely frustrating and i am so sorry but i'm pretty set
 
me when the wagon that formed on me day one was now confirmed to have been supported by at least two wolves
 
ok HOPEFULLY nothing else drastic happens just before i submit this lol

mewtini said:
lol my 5hr flight just landed B) i don’t have time to fully read that yet so i‘he only skimmed, not sure if i‘ll get to circle back?
qenya said:
tl;dr: it looks to me like it's totally NAI for them - not inherently scummy like i thought, but also not a clear townsign like she suggested.
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not what i said
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this is where i got the idea from! you said you thought herbe randomly pushing on people D1 wasn't a scumsign because they did it regularly, and pointed out that they didn't do the same thing in tv tropes mafia (which i took to imply "because they were mafia in that game"). as i recall i said something like "that seems plausible, I feel a bit iffy about taking your word for it but maybe I should for now - I'll have a re-read during the Night if i make it that far". so, well... that's what that is.

"clear" is maybe overstating a bit, i didn't consult back to check your exact wording until just now, but i think the point you were making is pretty hard to miss?

i also don't think "random" is an unfair characterisation tbh; it's practically a truism that D1 gutreads are not really evidence of anything useful.

mewtini said:
qenya said:
in fact i feel considerably worse about mewt now after she put so much stock in scumreading me off my off-the-cuff EoD post.
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can you specify which post youre saying i was reading that way because i can’t figure it out from your post. if you’re referring to the “if i flip red” one then that’s actually, again, not at all what i said
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by all means please tell me how else i should be reading this post! there doesn't really seem to be a lot there to misinterpret :P

mewtini said:
qenya said:
personally i think herbe is the correct vote here - helps sort mewt, helps sort jack off their mutual "we know secret knowledge about each other and about the setup :wink:", helps sort me
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can you talk about if you have any actual scumreads because this is bad vote rationale on its own
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that's fair! i think i've explained why i scumread you and herbe, but it's possible there are were better methods... i just don't didn't really see much point investing much effort considering where to vote. like i've said, i don't didn't think there's any situation where i don't get voted out toDay so i'd rather try have tried to generate some useful material for the future by talking rather than just kinda fruitlessly flailing against the inevitable.

(tl;dr you are wasting your time continuing to push on me, if you really are v let's put some effort into solving everyone else) Never Mind I Guess, I will continue as normal

mewtini said:
also i hate talking about myself in mafia tbh but it’s kind of insane to suggest that i would start a *completely* unnecessary wagon on teammate stryke when no one was even looking at him, when i’ve been widely townread, and on d1 of all times. and then w!herbe would have had to willingly shift the vc from def killing you to forcing a rand between v!you and and w!stryke when, honestly, i don’t think it would have been especially outing for them to just let you flip there. can you talk about that?

atp i genuinely don’t know what the landscape of this game could even look like if you’re v but the way your post snakes around bringing up any genuine scumreads (and misrepresenting what i said) really doesn’t make me believe that we’re in that world.
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sure! i don't didn't have any other thoughts about scumreads than i'd offered already (remember i'm still mentally at "start of D2", given the timing mix-up), but regarding the wagon on stryke, i don't see that it exonerates either of you (though myuma's flip might - still processing that, more in a sec). but i could easily buy have bought either of you bussing stryke, reasoning that you could be confident in getting me voted out toDay over the flavour weirdness and surviving long enough on your towncred to make it to victory - it's not a very big game.

don't get me wrong, it's not evidence against you either... my suspicion there is based on you suddenly going after me at the start of the Day based on frankly not much, and herbe jumping on the wagon after both you and RNP on successive days without really adding anything of substance.

also, perfectly valid comparison to acnh (although iirc it didn't quite turn out like that - i remember softing my fakeclaim pretty early on, and later identifying a wolf based on their fakeclaim which contradicted my real role, unfortunately ending up being seen as less trustworthy myself - but not sure which of us is misremembering). back then i was intentionally varying my playstyle by trying to take a gamble, but this isn't the same thing at all... this is just me being open and honest about my train of thought, which happens not to mesh with anyone else's! (also the flavour shenanigans are not helping. seriously i really want to find out what the deal is with that.)

sanderidge said:
another thing i'm curious about - qenya, how do you feel about your block not going through, but there not being a kill today? does that have anything to do with/interact with your wanting to vote out herbe at all?
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i don't really feel anything about it? if my block didn't go through, clearly it wasn't the reason why there wasn't a nightkill. it has no mech relevance at all afaict. (in fact nobody has claimed anything so far that does, unless you count jack and herbe's nod-nod-wink-wink which I'd like to hear more about now we have more Daytime, so I'm not sure why we're being all funny about the dubiousness of going off reads)
 
qenya said:
you said you thought herbe randomly pushing on people D1 wasn't a scumsign because they did it regularly, and pointed out that they didn't do the same thing in tv tropes mafia (which i took to imply "because they were mafia in that game").
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“i don’t think this is scummy for them” > “this is them obvtowning”?????
qenya said:
by all means please tell me how else i should be reading this post! there doesn't really seem to be a lot there to misinterpret :P
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you realize that i had already posted that other interaction before that post, right? and i dont know why i would be going into d2 completely wiping away my read on you from d1. what?
 
qenya said:
my suspicion there is based on you suddenly going after me at the start of the Day based on frankly not much, and herbe jumping on the wagon after both you and RNP on successive days without really adding anything of substance.
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same response to this. like, i already felt weird about you d1. i had been tinfoiling you and stryke w/w all d1 and that combined with other parts of my read solidified it.

also, i already answered all of this in my longer post about you.
 
mewtini said:
sorry that that was harsh lol

i’m trying my best to find you if you actually are town

and i’m going to feel both very very guilty and also disappointed in my own gamer skills if you’re just villa
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oh and on this. dw about it!!! honestly after Whatever Happened with my role PM i wasn't even expecting to make it to toDay, and even if the day extension technically does give me more of a fighting chance i'm not really feeling optimistic, haha. regardless of whether you're v or w, i'm well aware you're just doing your best to win! ily really friend 🤩
 
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