Snom Mafia

[mewtini]

man i kind of don't want to lynch ultracool today >:

i think we're at 4 uc/3 sj now

the thing i said about his posting earlier is what's giving me pause, because i think we could semi-figure him out later maybe (+ extra interaction reads)

 

[sanderidge]

sande do you have any major or minor suspicions?

DISCOVERED THE REPLY BUTTON
major: ysabel??? that's the person i feel Iffiest about
minor: trebek?

 

[Tangrowth]

My gut wants to flashwagon sande, lmao. Okay, yeah, don't do that.

 

[Novae]

Superjolt

Bad reads go!

 

[Tangrowth]

My gut wants to flashwagon sande, lmao. Okay, yeah, don't do that.

My gut is sort of insane this game. It wants to set more players on fire than usual?

 

[Novae]

My gut wants to flashwagon sande, lmao. Okay, yeah, don't do that.

maybe tomorrow I would be down for this

 

[Zori]

----------------------Day has ended.-------------------------​

 

[Keldeo]

I bet Eifie is yelling at me.

Trust my top townreads and like nothing else I've posted if it comes to that lol.

glgl

 

[Tangrowth]

I suppose I will most likely be abstaining this EoD tbh

I would have a PoE of {Jolt, Julia, sande, kyeugh} off of simple gut vibes

I can dig that PoE alright.

 

[Trebek]

ok wow noon came faster than i expected

so much for “i like these wagons and we have a fair bit of time left”

FML

 

[Zori]

Votecount (#715):
Mr. Ultracool | 4 | Keldeo (#574), Trebek (#584), kokorico (#644), sanderidge (#706)
Superjolt | 4 | Ysabel (#362), M Plus 7 (#570), mewtini (#575), Mist1422 (#724)

Spoiler: Vote History

Trebek votes mewtini [->1] (#216)
Trebek unvotes mewtini [0->] (#217)
mewtini votes kyeugh [->1] (#219)
mewtini unvotes kyeugh [0->] (#223)
Keldeo votes Superjolt [->1] (#317)
Ysabel votes Superjolt [->2] (#362)
M Plus 7 votes Trebek [->1] (#407)
M Plus 7 votes Trebek -> kokorico [0->1] (#467)
Keldeo unvotes Superjolt [1->] (#517)
M Plus 7 unvotes kokorico [0->] (#532)
M Plus 7 votes Superjolt [->2] (#570)
Keldeo votes Mr. Ultracool [->1] (#574)
mewtini votes Superjolt [->3] (#575)
Trebek votes Mr. Ultracool [->2] (#584)
kokorico votes Mr. Ultracool [->3] (#644)
sanderidge votes Mr. Ultracool [->4] (#706)
Mist1422 votes Superjolt [->4] (#724)

If any errors have been made, PM me and Emmy before 19:15 UTC.
Flip (+rand) will be happening then.

 

[Trebek]

it’s popularity time boizzzz

 

[Zori]

Mr. Ultracool has died. They were a Snom. (Not Mafia)

Night 1 Begins. It will end in 23.75 hours.
Emmy will post flavor when she gets online probably.
​

Spoiler: Pings

@JuliaTheSeaTurtleQueen
@Mist1422
@Mr. Ultracool
@Bluwiikoon
@sanderidge
@Superjolt
@kyeugh
@kokorico
@M Plus 7
@Ysabel
@Keldeo
@mewtini
@Trebek

Spoiler: Game Summary

N0

D1
Mr. Ultracool has died. They were a Snom.

 

[IndigoClaudia]

Alright. After A tie between Superjolt and Ultracool, snombody decides to flip a coin. Hey! It's Ultracool!

stabby time...

Mr Ultracool has died. They were an innocent snom.

 

[Zori]

Night ends in 15 minutes, night results going out
hopefully Emmy gets online soon for flavor

 

[Zori]

kokorico has died. E was a Snom.

Day 2 Begins. It will end in 48 hours.
Emmy will post flavor at some point in time maybe? If not then I might make a sad attempt tbh
​

Spoiler: Pings

@JuliaTheSeaTurtleQueen
@Mist1422
@Bluwiikoon
@sanderidge
@Superjolt
@kyeugh
@M Plus 7
@Ysabel
@Keldeo
@mewtini
@Trebek

Spoiler: Game Summary

N0

D1
Mr. Ultracool has died. They were a Snom.

N1
kokorico has died. E was a Snom.

go go go

 

[Ys_]

(I say this as someone who pushes back on townreads of me for incorrect reasons to get cred as either alignment (thus Ysabel's townread on me for pushing back against koko's townread of me is for incorrect reasons!))

Ah, I didn't know that, lol. I was thinking that if I was mafia and somene townread me I wouldn't bother that much to contradict them. Meanwhile, as town, I do question townreads of me for superficial reasons because I start thinking that they are trying to pocket me. In that case, my lean isn't as strong since that was something I was, in fact, focusing on.

My questions to people like Mist or SJ is because I'm trying to get a better read on them and I prefer to ask them things to get a better read and I want to understand their thought process

Did you have something for me? Which post? I know you’re voting me but I can’t really remember why rn

https://forums.dragonflycave.com/threads/snom-mafia.18683/post-686841

This was the post where I asked my questions. I think you replied to them, though, but you can check. And my reason for voting for you was more POE than anything + you being at the bottom of my townreads apart from the inactive people (Mr Ultracool, Julia)

Quiet EOD, huh. I guess I'll try to write something about people I haven't written about.

Having a bit of trouble gauging kyeugh tbh. I guess I'd expect more pointed suspicions or pushes from her as mafia...? This is what I called agendaedness last night. I guess you could say that her talking about reasons to not townread like me / mewtini / Blu fits that mold, but I also think what she pointed out is reasonable about everyone.

idk lol, Ysabel linking her meta is straightforwardly towny/helpful, but she mentioned that she tries to be helpful as mafia, and so it's probably something she'd do to be "helpful" as either alignment. I skimmed a couple posts from her ISO there and it seems tonally similar so I'm guessing my worries about that are just a her thing. She maybe seized more on things she was suspicious of. I don't love meta reading games I wasn't in.

I wouldn’t necessarily link to a game of me as town, but fair. And lol also keep in mind that game was far less active than this one so maybe my brain was less scattered.

Also, I'm on koko town right now, and mafia Superjolt probably could jump on koko instead of hedging out of an initial bad impression in that first post.

What made you change your mind on Koko since as I recall you said you were suspicious of him? And what made you decide to jump to Mr Ultracool instead of Superjolt?

And as for throwing shade on inactives/my reads.. I generally look at people's posts' quality rather than quantity, their tone and general disposition to help. Mist s posts just seemed to me like they weren't focused on the game but more on mech things.

@Ysabel
You and I need to interact at some point! I'll see what I can do to make that happen.

Of course. Hi!

I'm particularly intrigued in an elaboration on the underlined, but it doesn't have to happen at EoD for sure.

What I meant with Mist is that they had a bunch posts with no real content to them. I was using them as an example for that one, but it seemed to me like the less actives also had less content on their posts. Basically, I was trying to say that I’m not trying to throw shade on the inactives for being inactive but rather for having less content in their posts.

Also remember when Keldeo asked Koko about why e townread him? I was thinking that I agreed because I also townread him, but Keldeo said he had only made four posts. And I was thinking "sure, only four posts, but they had good content/seemed helpful." Mewtini has like a billion posts, but all of them read like trying to help in some way. Except the jokey posts, but from what I saw on TVT that's more common here than in my home forum. So I would be more on Mewt’s case if most of her posts were jokey or had less content. What you're doing is interesting, because you're posting your thoughts as you read, so you post many small posts, but I like the thoughtfulness I've seen from them so far.

btw I think Mist pointing out stuff like not talking about the popularity to stop scum from PR hunting was pro-town / "helpful" (in a mostly-NAI way probably) and I'm curious why @Ysabel didn't think so.

It’s not that I didn’t think so as much as I saw it as only one helpful post amongst the other memey posts he made. More on that in my ISO.
Also, as a note, in my home forum flavors mean nothing, so this mechanic of getting hints from flavors actually comes as a surprise, but I’m in the mentality of it not really mattering unless it’s something more pressing like Kyeugh losing a point on the cred scale. Otherwise I’ll just sort of follow along/ take your word for it.

And as for throwing shade on inactives/my reads.. I generally look at people's posts' quality rather than quantity, their tone and general disposition to help. Mist s posts just seemed to me like they weren't focused on the game but more on mech things.

How do you differentiate Mist's focus on mechanics from Trebek's focus on mechanics prior to your first reads post?

If you recall, I never mentioned Mist in my first reads post, then I said I would ISO the rest. Mist popped into my mind then, as someone who hadn’t posted much or very substantially and who hadn’t been questioned much. I didn’t necessarily differentiate him from Trebek, but I noticed Trebek more.

Doing the ISO, though

My reads post was in #275, so:

Spoiler: Trebek ISO

the real question is, if town decides to try to yeet someone today, it will be interesting to see how mafia react around the wagons, since they know how it will affect their popularity and we don’t

People already talked about this, but it's not talking about a mechanic, rather about how the mechanic will affect the game.

voting idea is interesting! though i kind of feel like it's really dependent on town voting consensus? i guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it though, i agree that people with lower popularity scores should probably be careful either way :O

yeah, i wonder if there’s some bias between “town consensus is to vote on X” and X being mafia if a consensus is able to be made

He is pondering the idea, not immediately saying no or yes. And ig I can see where he is coming from. If a concensus is made, and the mafias manage to take the lead for this concensus, then they will steer town and the rep to vote for town. I didn't look at it that way at the time, but it''s a completely fair point.

the other issue i have with representatives is that it seems easy for mafia to weasel themselves into the process, maybe even electing a member of their own as the rep?

See, again, I see what he meant now. Still not following on the mafia electing a rep thing unless it was to vote on another mafia if there was no other choice and gaining popularity points that way. (It's a moot point either way, but that's my reasoning)

the other issue i have with representatives is that it seems easy for mafia to weasel themselves into the process, maybe even electing a member of their own as the rep?

yeah also this, esp since we inevitably kind of lose the spontaneity of EoD this way :p

yeah, i just have bad Vibes about a mafia member becoming the representative and “oh no i wasn’t around to vote” if the votes on maf

Another good point, though if the mafia did do this, disappearing at the EoD, they would still get suspicions from town.

Particularly, mewtini/Trebek, I'm interested if you have any thoughts on Ysabel for proposing her plan, given that you seem to disagree with it.

i think i’m in agreement with mewt here mostly? like, i disagree with the idea on a pragmatic level but i don’t disagree with the mindset that comes up with that idea, if that makes any sense

i’m only half alive so just keeping up with posts and not really thinking too hard about reads currently, but will answer questions!

Again, not being dismissive and outrightly saying 'heck no!' rather it was more of a 'hmmm, I see where she may have been coming from, but it's not a practical idea' which is fair enough.

the other issue i have with representatives is that it seems easy for mafia to weasel themselves into the process, maybe even electing a member of their own as the rep?

I don't disagree, but can you expand on this please? Why is that bad?

my concern i think got more generally/succinctly explained by keldeo, which is just the overall issues with consensus voting not hitting mafia. i was mostly just thinking about mafia pushing a consensus towards a townie, and then since only the representative votes it becomes a lot harder to analyze who was pushing to kill town

Hmm, a mafia may not push as hard for this, and he did give other sound reasons for it. (Which as I'm thinking of it now, it seems more solid than just saying it takes away from the organicness of trains, but I still see validness to both of those points.)

Spoiler: Mist's ISO

hmm

now I wonder if someone's role made sande+SJ crossed out in the pinglist, or if that means anything

They point it out but not really offer any insight

oh

if there aren't we definitely do not hypocop because like, there's no point if we can't actually figure the cop out when they die

Good point, admittedly, but they weren't the first to point hypocopping being bad, so loses the merit a bit.

see

rolling town was the most disappointing thing because I really, really wanted to lolfox

I don't have anything aout this actually, since I see it as memeing but it could be a genuine sentiment too. Slight townlean but I wouldn't put too much focus into it.

Or we could ignore popularity entirely in order to stop mafia from being able to PR hunt as well tbh

Sure, that's a(nother) valid point.

no thoughts
head empty
mewtini town

am no thoughts head empty but I’m just getting the same vibes from mewtini that I did in cats (2019)

You guys seem to put a lot of stack into tone from other games. Not something I could do so I'll just have to take your word for it, though it's also not the only thing you guys should focus on. IMO.

Does voting for potential third parties affect popularity?

Actually, I think this is the post I remembered as being focused on mechanics. It's something from my home forum where we weren't very keen on focusing on third parties if mafia was a bigger threat. One, a mafia could post this as "look at me, I'm helping," but without really being helpful and two, they would have more reason to be weary of third parties to ask.

So kek, I don't really see Mist and Trebek as being the same at all. Actually, after ISOing, I'm more convinced of Trebek's towniness. And it’s partly what I mean with preferring less posts with more content, too. Trebek has more content in his posts than Mist in theirs.

 

[mewtini]

koko's sad react omfg no

i have some qs that i'll write out at some point soonish. it looks like this means there's no vig ... ? that or they got messed with somehow (even-night? doctor?)

 

[Ys_]

BTW sorry I wasn't here at EoD. I fell asleep a bit after making my last post.
RIP Koko.
I'll be on later. Social RL time!

 

[Trebek]

the only major Thought that i was able to come up with regarding the votes yesterDay is that i have a feeling the wagons were v/v: not sure how the wagons end up in a tie if this is not the case...