Two questions about gamecube games on the wii.

[Noctowl]

After watching a few videos of XD and collosseum, I have decided to get one of them to play on. Problem is, I only have a wii and can't really afford a gamecube at this point in time. Therefore, I must get a memory card and a gamecube controler. I am going to check the shops near where I live to see if there are any used gamecube controlers, but if there isn't I am going to ask: which gamecube controlers are the best out there? I have been looking on the game website, and all of the ones I can afford have been given mixed reviews. I must point out that I live in England, and therefore I can't go to gamestop ect.

I also have another question, which game is better? I have a feeling I might choose collosseum, as that pokeball glitch might make things less frustrating for me, but I wanted to get some opinions first.

 

[Adriane]

Official controllers are pretty much the best ones out there, really. And as far as I know, third party memory cards won't work at all.

XD is the better game.

 

[Equinoxe]

I sort of agree with Vixie about the better game; Colosseum had a cooler protagonist and the Masterball glitch but shadow pokemon are very, very much easier to purify on XD which in turn makes other things easier too (I haven't finished XD yet though; we just got our Gamecube this summer).

 

[Evil Link]

Since you didn't specify a budget, I'll just go with £15 for the controller. You live in the UK, so Amazon.co.uk may be a good place to consider if you can buy things off the Internet. This is a silver Gamecube controller that's being sold for between £9 and £24, though the £9 seller seems respectable enough to go for. There are other options on there that are worth a look, too.

If you can't order off the Internet, though, Gamestation and GAME are the first places I'd check as they're always competing for the pre-owned market. There are many, many unofficial controllers you can buy for under £10, probably half that pre-owned, but I would recommend keeping an eye out for the official one first as that is the best option.

 

[Yarnchu]

Official controllers are pretty much the best ones out there, really. And as far as I know, third party memory cards won't work at all.

XD is the better game.

Uh, really? I'm pretty sure I have two 3rd Party memory cards I can use consistently on my Wii.

But XD really is the better game. You can actually save anywhere without having to reach a save point(what a stupid idea why was this ever in Colosseum?), and the Shadow Pokemon, while maybe frustrating to catch, are easier to purify and more available in XD. And I personally had an easier time catching them in XD anyways, though I suggest you take a look at the exclusives of both games before deciding.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Official controllers are pretty much the best ones out there, really. And as far as I know, third party memory cards won't work at all.

3rd party mem-cards work just fine. And they don't break or fuck up as easily as 3rd party controllers.

You can actually save anywhere without having to reach a save point(what a stupid idea why was this ever in Colosseum?)

Maybe because it's pretty much standard in console RPGs?

 

[Yarnchu]

Just because its standard doesn't mean it should be included, though. Right from the start, Pokemon has always allowed you to save anywhere. All it does is serve as a hindrance to the players used to the GB Pokemon games.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Just because its standard doesn't mean it should be included, though. Right from the start, Pokemon has always allowed you to save anywhere. All it does is serve as a hindrance to the players used to the GB Pokemon games.

Yeah, but they were pretty much going for a more authentic RPG feel to it, and just straight monster training on the gamecube games. And for something like that, it's only natural they'd put any staple to the RPG genre to it, and that includes terri-bad story, and irritating character nearly everywhere you go =/

Plus it's not much of hindrance either. If for some reason the player can't keep their characters/Pokemon alive until the next save point, they need to do something about the way they play.

 

[Yarnchu]

That's not really my point though. I mean, with the handheld games, its rather convient because you can just save anywhere. Here, if you need to stop playing or whatever, you need to work your way over to a save point. It's just annoying, really.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Haha, lazy :P I think working your way to a save point, or an inn or whatever makes it that much more satisfying than just being able to save, then reset if something doesn't go your way.

I don't really think it's so much their decision though so much as it is with the constraints of whatever engine or code each game uses. It might not seem like it, but the Gamecube games run on completely different engines and code from the Gameboy games, and it's natural they'd just take the easy way out and use whatever source code for console RPGs is available to them instead of spending more money and making code from the ground up just so the player can save anywhere they want. That would be silly. And trust me, developing a game is MUCH harder than you think, even when you're only using the same code for an RPG that any other RPG uses.

It's not like it matters though, whether or not a player is able to save any time they want is moot anyway. The way I see it, if you're playing a console RPG, then you probably have enough time to make it to the next save point before you have to do errands or chores or whatever, or you know what you're doing enough to not have a party poisoned, paralyzed, petrified, and left basically dead before the next inn or whatever.

 

[Anomaly 54]

I don't use a classic GameCube controler, I use the Wii adaption. I recomend Colosseum but that said I have never played XD so....

 

[Hiikaru]

I like the official controllers the best, but we've had a lot of different Gamecube controllers and the only real problem with the other kinds is that they look weird or have different shapes. But you can tell that based on pictures, so it's probably fine to otherwise buy whatever is the cheapest. I guess I don't have as much experience with alternate memory cards,

I haven't spent much time playing Gale of Darkness, but although the main character is a lot creepier, I think the sequel has a lot going for it. There are many more shadow Pokemon to catch, including quite a few important legendaries, and mini-games, and actual wild Pokemon (well, sort of, but you aren't stuck with x number of Pokemon, in any case).

The way I see it, if you're playing a console RPG, then you probably have enough time to make it to the next save point before you have to do errands or chores or whatever

Isn't this sort of the other way around...? If you're on a portable console, you can probably set it down or take it with you, and you also probably own it and can hide it under the covers to continue playing to a save, and you probably won't have to give someone else a turn.

But can't you usually just run back to the last save point? It's kind of annoying to run back and forth if you keep losing, but then you shouldn't have to lose any progress, at least.

 

[Superbird]

I'd just like to say, I've had bad experiences with MadCatz controllers, if they even sell them over there.

 

[fresh fruit for Adol]

Isn't this sort of the other way around...? If you're on a portable console, you can probably set it down or take it with you, and you also probably own it and can hide it under the covers to continue playing to a save, and you probably won't have to give someone else a turn.

Yes, but I wasn't even talking about handheld RPGs. Of course you can take them with you places, but you can't do that with console RPGs. Sure you can leave the system on, but you run the risk of overheating the console

But can't you usually just run back to the last save point? It's kind of annoying to run back and forth if you keep losing, but then you shouldn't have to lose any progress, at least.

You CAN do that, but keep in mind that in the average console RPG, you're going to have to deal with monster encounters even if you are just going back to a previous save point. It's still the same as if you were going on to the next area.

Unless of course you're playing FFVIII and have the right ability, or playing Wild ARMs 5, and killed the right dungeon monster, then you can just turn off the random encounters in those games altogether.

I'd just like to say, I've had bad experiences with MadCatz controllers, if they even sell them over there.

Everyone's had bad experiences with MadCatz controller. They make the worst hardware ever known to man. Why do you think their shit's so cheap?

Also, time to contribute to the thread itself;

just go with the 1st party hardware. Nobody makes better Gamecube hardware than Nintendo does. If anyone did make them better, then either they'd belong to Nintendo already, or they'd have made the Gamecube and all its peripherals themselves.

I never played much of XD, so I don't really know how it is, but Colosseum was a decent game.

 

[Storm Earth and Fire]

I personally like to think of XD as an enhanced remake of Colosseum. Overall, they improved the gameplay, the nuances of characters and plot coming down to personal preference.

As for controllers, you could find an official GC controller for relatively cheap, though they don't make them anymore, so official controllers might not get any cheaper. As for third-party stuff, don't go wireless is all I can say. Their shapes are worse for most people I know (but one of my friends liked one of the third-party controllers I bought better), but if you are able to get a feel for them before you buy (major advantage of brick and mortar sttores), then you may find one you like. I just stick with the official controller. Used one in a store cost me $16~. Around 10.3 pounds, but pricing is more complex than that I imagine.

 

[Noctowl]

Thank you guys.

After searching in reading for a while I couldn't find either games, so I am thinking on getting them online. Might get colossem, as XD is quite expensive on ebay. Hm...

 

[Wargle]

I have never played coloseum but I own XD and it is quite fun. my only real complaint is Shadow Pokemon have bad moves that don't do much, you do a lot of going back forth like G/S, and Shadow Pokes are hard to catch. That are wilds are only like level 20.