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Contest Pokémafia Spectacular! - Game Thread

but i could easily buy have bought either of you bussing stryke, reasoning that you could be confident in getting me voted out toDay over the flavour weirdness and surviving long enough on your towncred to make it to victory - it's not a very big game.
i agree that it isn’t literally impossible, i just think it’s a comically bad play and, considering the other points i brought up + that i had towncred, one that makes much less sense than me just being v. also, i had been fending off the flavorspec on you literally all of d1 — i still don’t care about it — and i might have actually been the only person in the game, out of those who engaged with it (so basically everyone but wisper), who didn’t push you based on that.
 
honestly idrc what you think about my slot, but i’m having a difficult time buying that you genuinely believe that that convergence of things makes more sense than me being town.
 
sorry that that was harsh lol

i’m trying my best to find you if you actually are town

and i’m going to feel both very very guilty and also disappointed in my own gamer skills if you’re just villa
oh and on this. dw about it!!! honestly after Whatever Happened with my role PM i wasn't even expecting to make it to toDay, and even if the day extension technically does give me more of a fighting chance i'm not really feeling optimistic, haha. regardless of whether you're v or w, i'm well aware you're just doing your best to win! ily really friend 🤩
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you said you thought herbe randomly pushing on people D1 wasn't a scumsign because they did it regularly, and pointed out that they didn't do the same thing in tv tropes mafia (which i took to imply "because they were mafia in that game").
“i don’t think this is scummy for them” > “this is them obvtowning”?????
i think we may be splitting hairs here regarding how certain each of us was about it on D1... the point i'm trying to make is that while we disagreed about what it indicated then, now i think it's fairly safe to say it's not relevant. yeah?

by all means please tell me how else i should be reading this post! there doesn't really seem to be a lot there to misinterpret :P
you realize that i had already posted that other interaction before that post, right? and i dont know why i would be going into d2 completely wiping away my read on you from d1. what?
were you scumreading me throughout D1? i had the impression you were, at worst, conflicted... you didn't end up on my wagon at EoD, and the very last read you posted was this.

but in any case i didn't say (or mean) that post was the only thing you were basing your position on, just that it was a major one, which seems hard to deny given that you then voted for me with no other preamble. and remains just as weird/unsupported.

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i was going to continue replying and maybe offer some of my thoughts on the myuma flip, but alas i have to be up in ~7 hours and have plenty of tasks to get done before i sleep so gonna have to leave it there. i will hopefully (but not necessarily) be in before EoD though.

please everyone do your best to make further plans and investigate/push other people in the meantime; even if you still end up yeeting me toDay, it will give you more information down the line. even if you don't believe you'll need it, what's the harm in looking, eh.
 
which seems hard to deny given that you then voted for me with no other preamble. and remains just as weird/unsupported.
i’m not engaging with this anymore. that post was not a major reason, it was one of several. the case i wrote on you was actually the reasoning and i don’t think that just because i didn’t write/post that before voting means that you can claim i voted unsupported. ?_?
 
another thing i'm curious about - qenya, how do you feel about your block not going through, but there not being a kill today? does that have anything to do with/interact with your wanting to vote out herbe at all?
i don't really feel anything about it? if my block didn't go through, clearly it wasn't the reason why there wasn't a nightkill. it has no mech relevance at all afaict. (in fact nobody has claimed anything so far that does, unless you count jack and herbe's nod-nod-wink-wink which I'd like to hear more about now we have more Daytime, so I'm not sure why we're being all funny about the dubiousness of going off reads)
hmm I was not super comfy outright claiming at first because of the risk of scum retaliating against me, but I think it's much safer now that we have 2 scum dead and only 1 town dead (i.e. realistically only 1/7 of remaining players are probably scum, maybe 2/7 in a high-scum initial setup). I think we're at the point where the odds that I will continue to be useful while quiet are lower than the odds that, by claiming, I will be able to bring useful things to light.

one of my actions is the aforementioned high-appeal no-op, Electroweb. another of my actions, Double Team, allows me (one-shot, and only under certain specific conditions) to override the yeet poll with my own choice. and the other three are plays on the Inventor role trope: each one lets me give out a one-shot power to someone else. Toxic Spikes is a one-shot daykill that can only be used by someone with high Appeal, Sludge Bomb is a one-shot daykill that can only be used by someone with low Appeal, and Infestation is a one-shot bulletproof shield.

each of those three one-shot powers are flavored as "items" that have their own quirky names separate from the move name. the two daykills I will be withholding the names of for reasons you're about to see, and the one I gave Herbe last night was "Bees?!", the bulletproof shield. since Herbe did not die, I wink-winkingly made a bee reference to them early today, which they confirmed they received but was expended, so I feel good about the fact that that was the reason for no death last night. not 100% certain, but good enough.

incidentally, the first night, I gave the one-shot-daykill-for-a-low-Appeal-user item to RNP, who the following day I proceeded to read as scum because I misread the vote shuffling at the end of the day, hence my warning that I feared scum might have access to a daykill. but now it looks like either mewt of all people has used it (meaning a redirector is afoot) or there are multiple daykill powers in play.

mewt, can you verify whether this is consistent with your understanding of the situation vis a vis your daykill, and if your daykill was indeed from my power being redirected to you, can you verify what the name of the item was?
 
if I have the time/energy I also would like to look back and reread the thread and piece together my PoE in a coherent manner later tonight but that can wait, certainly until I hear back from mewt on that
 
mewt, can you verify whether this is consistent with your understanding of the situation vis a vis your daykill, and if your daykill was indeed from my power being redirected to you, can you verify what the name of the item was?
yeah. i received a ~nasty surprise~ overNight (N1)

also, i can confirm the bees thing (it was why jack was up so high on my readslist)
 
yep, Nasty Surprise is indeed the precise name of the item. fuck, that means we've got a redirector (sinks head into hands)
honestly there’s a decent chance that if mafia, that redirector is dead. LOL
 
i have been trying to figure out an unrelated thing that also hinges on the number of scum remaining and from what i can tell if we started with 4 scum then we would have very easily lost by D2 if we made only one wrong yeet (if we voted out town D1 and the mafia carried out a kill both nights, we would be at w4/v3 going into D2) so i am assuming there are 3 scum only, which only leaves one person that i am increasingly certain is qenya

anyway, if it's very likely there's only one scum remaining i feel comfortable saying i have softed twice in the game, pretty much back to back, and unmistakably, if you can find it + i am not the redirector

other than that, if three separate people are basically confirming each other + rnp is pretty heavily towncore for me + it's not a 4-scum setup then i feel very confident that even if we messed up with qenya then we just yeet wisper tomorrow and it's game?
 
if three separate people are basically confirming each other + rnp is pretty heavily towncore for me + it's not a 4-scum setup then i feel very confident that even if we messed up with qenya then we just yeet wisper tomorrow and it's game?
yep

the only thing that could potentially throw a wrench in that fmpov is if you’re mafia somehow but i don’t think so

that logic is basically why i dked myuma though. was waffling between her and wisper, figuring day discussion wasn’t going to get anywhere on them if they stayed in Lurker City
 
how can you confirm the bees thing?
don’t want to say atm
there are a couple (or more) ways this could go, and I'm already townreading you pretty hard so I'm willing to take the benefit of the doubt and pencil in an assumption for now that this is the good way I'm thinking of and not a bad way. in which case, current towncore me/Herbe/mewt/RNP in approx. that order, which then leaves me with PoE of uhhh who's left? sande (I have not sorted yet), qenya (I was reading as being on a knife's edge leaning slightly more town, but I will have to reread and reevaluate), and Wisper (I have not sorted yet)?

this is not my promised PoE post, this is just me making notes for myself to refer back to for it
 
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