Now while I know Vixie didn't post up there, I just wanted to use this quote to describe you two, Sreservoir and Dannichu.
As you can tell, I was unbanned. Woot.
I was responding to a comment. And actually, it makes sense when you consider to what I replied.
Actually, when you consider what you replied to, it makes less sense because while Dannichu and sreservoir were being snarky, they were making valid points. The terrorists were Muslim, which is why you oppose a mosque. By the same token, they were straight, male in motion, so the area around Ground Zero should become a stationary lesbian commune.
Hm, in one respect, you're right. The radicals who crashed into the WTC are NOT normal moderate muslims.
But as to the fact that they aren't like the guy building the mosque, I have to differ. He, 19 days after 9/11, said that the US was "an accessory to the crime that happened." And, on the same day, that Usama Bin Laden was "Made in the USA."
Well, frankly, the US was "an accessory to the crime that happened". And I don't see what's so significant about the amount of days it took him to say it, not everyone in the world is going to censor their opinions for the benefit of America.
Furthermore, he has said that what most muslims want is courts that don't have any laws in opposition to Shariah law, and he wants America to be "Shariah Compliant." He has refused to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah as terrorist organizations, and won't reveal his funding when people ask.
Moderate muslim? Your choice for you, but I don't think so.
Yes, because by building a mosque and cultural center in NYC, this guy is going to convert America to Shariah law. How didn't I see this before.
And seriously, has it occurred to you that the reason "he has refused to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah as terrorist organisations" is because not everybody in the world falls into line with the American opinion that they are terrorist organisations?
Did you even know that both Hamas and Hezbollah formed as militias to defend their home country from Israeli invasion? Did you know that both are heavily involved in social development and that they are legitimate political entities within their home states, with Hamas as the majority in Palestine and Hezbollah holding 11 of 30 cabinet seats in Lebanon? Did you know that in 2008, Hezbollah members reclaimed areas of Lebanon taken over by another militia and then immediately handed them over to the Lebanese Army? And did you know that the "military wing" of Hamas is actually an independent militia who not only act autonomously but often against Hamas policy?
Personally, I don't think Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations because I believe their goals are legitimate. I don't condone their killing of civilians, but the US has killed more civilians in the "War on Terror" than either Hamas or Hezbollah, or quite possibly the two of them combined, and the US's goals are about as legitimate as the presidency of Robert Mugabe.
EDIT: Crud ninjad. Of course, there is absolutely no debate. The muslims are perfectly able and permitted to build it there. But it isn't the right thing to do.
According to you, but you have yet to give a legitimate reason as to why it isn't the right thing to do.
Secondly, and now I will get on to the argument, he never said that we were an accessory to 9/11. He said he started paying attention to politics after that. He said that we weren't minding our own business. But the two are not inherently connected. In case you aren't a regular watcher, which I know you aren't, he says he started paying attention after (Insert topic here) almost every other show, and it usually doesn't make sense to what he says next.
Glenn Beck said that the US wasn't minding it's own business and as a result the 9/11 attacks happened. Therefore, Glenn Beck says that the US did something which provoked the 9/11 attacks. Therefore, Glenn Beck says that the US is at least partially to blame for the 9/11 attacks ergo the US is an accessory to 9/11.
As an English person, I know I'm going to come off harsh. But why is America still upset about 9/11?
It's simple really. The American ego had a hole punched in it. After the collapse of the USSR, the USA remained as the only global "superpower" and it came to think it was invincible. After all, it outlasted the USSR. But then several known terrorists hijacked plans and initiated a symbolically devestating attack on the US. It's easy to see, given the targets, that this was supposed to be an attack on the American ego and sense of security, in other words, a terrorist attack in the most basic sense of the word. They attacked their wealth and monetary power (The Twin Towers), they attacked their security and intelligence (The Pentagon) and they were on the way to attacking their ultimate symbol of political sovereignty (The White House) before they were overpowered. America is suffering from wounded pride and paranoia and, of course, as with all of America's temper tantrums, the whole world is suffering as result.
