Homosexuality

[Dewgong]

i lied my grandma's brother was gay i just forgot

and i think there's someone else in the family too

 

[BillyMays123]

Yyy.

I hate the people that say the adopted kids are going to be scarred. No they are not.

 

[Dannichu]

I hate the people that say the adopted kids are going to be scarred. No they are not.

Well, in honesty, they probably will, just no moreso than kids with straight parents. After all, no kid survives childhood without some degree of scarring; families always screw you up in one way or another - it's character-building! :D

(related - my favourite poem)

 

[BillyMays123]

I knew I shoulda put that in. DX

 

[Dewgong]

woah that poem is awesome

i read it like ten times over

 

[FireMario]

Homosexualitly shouldn't be illegal.

 

[Sovie]

FireMario, how could homosexuality be made illegal? It's not possible, it's simply natural for one to be homosexual, and it's not like robbing a bank where you can be locked up, later let go, and say, "I'll never be gay again!"

 

[goldenquagsire]

Well, in honesty, they probably will, just no moreso than kids with straight parents. After all, no kid survives childhood without some degree of scarring; families always screw you up in one way or another - it's character-building! :D

(related - my favourite poem)

ooh we're studying Larkin in English atm. :D

FireMario, how could homosexuality be made illegal? It's not possible, it's simply natural for one to be homosexual, and it's not like robbing a bank where you can be locked up, later let go, and say, "I'll never be gay again!"

well to be fair they've had a fair stab at criminalising homosexuality in the past. and they still do, for that matter.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

Britain killed Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing :c you guys
Still it's good that although you have that bullshit 'separate but equal' civil union thing for gays Britain has advanced considerably in the past twenty-odd years <3 I mean you have your Nick Griffins and your Boris Johnsons but they're manchildren in a bad way. More out gays in government plz

m-mandy-kun...

 

[goldenquagsire]

Britain killed Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing :c you guys

we didn't kill Turing! we just subjected him to a horrific, degrading punishment which probably led to his suicide!

and your Boris Johnsons

not that I approve of Boris, but I wasn't aware that he held any particularly anti-gay sentiments?

m-mandy-kun...

oh christ I have to restrain myself every time someone mentions Mandleson butbutbut

GAYLORD

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

we didn't kill Turing! we just subjected him to a horrific, degrading punishment which probably led to his suicide!

Well at least he got a bench and statue out of it that looks nothing like him and where they lovingly included his cyanide apple.

not that I approve of Boris, but I wasn't aware that he held any particularly anti-gay sentiments?

if gay marriage was OK - and I was uncertain on the issue - then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog. also pickaninnies

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oh christ I have to restrain myself every time someone mentions Mandleson butbutbut

GAYLORD

Haha don't he and Brown have some kind of weird-ass rivalry because Mandy kept telling everyone Brown was gay

 

[Dannichu]

I'll admit to the existence of Nick Griffin and the killing of Oscar Wilde (well, not admit to personally killing Oscar because, really).

But we also have the BBC. Which is the gayest TV channel since, well, those weird gay porn channels, I suppose. And given nobody but crotchety old Daily Mail readers complain about all the rampant gayness in everything (discussing all the relationships in Torchwood with my friend's grandparents was frigging hilarious), even if our government's a little slow on the uptake, the general population is fairly with it.

 

[departuresong]

Here's some fun reading.

 

[J.T.]

Well this is odd. Debating a guy on another forum who is a self-proclaimed homosexual, but claims to be against the gay lifestyle, calling it immoral and unhealthy. So basically, a gay who's against being gay. If you've seen me on this thread, you probably know my thoughts on being gay ("knock yourself out" for those who haven't), but anyway. Some of his points about why it's wrong:

- Claiming gays who make up 2% of the U.S. population have about 4% of all gonorrhea cases and 60% of all syphilis cases in the U.S.
- Claiming statistics saying about 43% of gay white men (dunno why the "white" part was important) have slept with over 500 men in their lifetime - claims that despite the study being made 30 years ago, "not much has changed"
- Claims 86% of all convicted child molesters identified as either gay or bi, constituting 33% of all child molestation cases in the U.S. - further went on to state 1 in 20 gays are child molesters
- Says the book The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay men Speak Out about about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles states 37% of gays have had sexual relations with children under 19
- Claimed a University of Pennsylvania study showed 95% of boys sexually abused for pornography, prostitution, or trafficking are molested by gays
- Claims gays (2% of all people in the U.S., he claims) make up 42% of all cases of HIV in the U.S.

So any arguments?

 

[spaekle]

Throwing out statistics like those as arguments against homosexuality is about the same as throwing out black crime statistics to justify racism.

I wonder what the suicide rate for repressed homosexuals is. :|

 

[Loco Mocho]

Throwing out statistics like those as arguments against homosexuality is about the same as throwing out black crime statistics to justify racism.

I wonder what the suicide rate for repressed homosexuals is. :|

This is purely off the top of my head but I think 1 3rd of american teenage suisides are at least partialy because of homosexuality

 

[goldenquagsire]

Well at least he got a bench and statue out of it that looks nothing like him and where they lovingly included his cyanide apple.

oh for fuck's sake that's tasteless. :(

that's like if they made a statue of Stephen Milligan with suspenders and an orange segment.

if gay marriage was OK - and I was uncertain on the issue - then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog. also pickaninnies

oic

well now I have more legitimate reasons to dislike him. :D

Haha don't he and Brown have some kind of weird-ass rivalry because Mandy kept telling everyone Brown was gay

huh

this would be cool if it were true but

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

Well this is odd. Debating a guy on another forum who is a self-proclaimed homosexual, but claims to be against the gay lifestyle, calling it immoral and unhealthy. So basically, a gay who's against being gay. If you've seen me on this thread, you probably know my thoughts on being gay ("knock yourself out" for those who haven't), but anyway. Some of his points about why it's wrong:

- Claiming gays who make up 2% of the U.S. population have about 4% of all gonorrhea cases and 60% of all syphilis cases in the U.S.
- Claiming statistics saying about 43% of gay white men (dunno why the "white" part was important) have slept with over 500 men in their lifetime - claims that despite the study being made 30 years ago, "not much has changed"
- Claims 86% of all convicted child molesters identified as either gay or bi, constituting 33% of all child molestation cases in the U.S. - further went on to state 1 in 20 gays are child molesters
- Says the book The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay men Speak Out about about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles states 37% of gays have had sexual relations with children under 19
- Claimed a University of Pennsylvania study showed 95% of boys sexually abused for pornography, prostitution, or trafficking are molested by gays
- Claims gays (2% of all people in the U.S., he claims) make up 42% of all cases of HIV in the U.S.

So any arguments?

- Gays make up 10% of the population, for starters, and it's pretty unlikely a relatively small percentage can have over half the syphillis cases in America because, well. Just think about it. Same thing for the Gonorrhea really. There's not much chance of an overlap. Someone provide actual stats here I'm in a rush.
- Even if the original percentage were true (and it's debatable. 500 men is kind of a big deal) the study was apparently made 30 years ago and that's the time where a bunch of countries (including America) legalized homosexuality so of course there was bound to be an outburst due to sudden sexual freedom. It was cut pretty short anyway when the AIDS scare started and thousands upon thousands of gay men died. Things are a lot calmer now.
- That one I'm just calling bullshit on immediately because come on: if the gay population was 2% as he stated how could they possibly make up 33% of all child molesters, let alone 86 of all convicted? I mean unless every gay molested a child every second of his life (I'm assumung he's only counting men here), not stopping to eat or drink or sleep, it would still probably be impossible.
- When they were underage too? :v
- Again pretty fucking unlikely.
- The actual number is 47% have been infected by high-risk male-to-male contact, but that doesn't mean they're exclusively gay (for starters) and anyway his 2% is false. That's in total. When you're looking at just male statistics, 62% caught it due to risky m2m contact while in women 66% caught it due to risky het contact. There's probably a higher percentage in the gay community because people don't talk about AIDS enough, especially not how homosexuals can catch it (because gay sex is gross :c). There's also been a terrible re-surge recently due to shitheads who think barebacking is awesome. The fact that porn promotes this value doesn't help.

Either way my replies don't matter, ask him what his sources are and call him out when they all turn out to be right-wing.

I'll admit to the existence of Nick Griffin and the killing of Oscar Wilde (well, not admit to personally killing Oscar because, really).

Haha, DANNICHU IS SECRETELY THE UK GOVERNMENT IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY pass it on

But we also have the BBC. Which is the gayest TV channel since, well, those weird gay porn channels, I suppose. And given nobody but crotchety old Daily Mail readers complain about all the rampant gayness in everything (discussing all the relationships in Torchwood with my friend's grandparents was frigging hilarious), even if our government's a little slow on the uptake, the general population is fairly with it.

Oh, I agree completely. I think that overall the UK has been great in adapting to modern times and has been very good in what concerns out gay people and being pro-gay. I only have qualms with the fact that now that civil unions have been legalized most of the gays seem to think they've won and there's nothing else left to do. Come on guys don't stop till you've got marriage :c honest-to-god marriage. Uncle Toms like Elton John and John Barrowman can go away. Wasn't a huge majority for legalizing actual marriage anyway?

oh for fuck's sake that's tasteless. :(

that's like if they made a statue of Stephen Milligan with suspenders and an orange segment.

It's pretty interesting that in all sexual scandals I've seen up till now the liberals are always really boring (cheated on his wife with some lady again, yawn) and the conservatives get up to all kinds of crazy shit like crossdressing and strangling themselves. That's what I call a party.

huh

this would be cool if it were true but

Don't know how reliable Lord Levy (former chief fundraiser for the Labour party and bff of Tony Blair) is but in his book he writes:

A few weeks afterwards, Tony turned to me as he was towelling down after a swim at my house in North London and remarked: "What am I going to do about Gordon and Mandelson?"
I had by now come to understand that whenever he asked that kind of question, he had a plan in mind, one that almost invariably involved me.
"You're good with people," he said. "Why don't you have a talk with them both, see whether you can patch things up?" I saw Peter first for lunch in the Commons and explained how worried Tony was about the friction between two of the people he most relied on to change Labour and the country.
Peter, who had been on the receiving end of many months of deadly glares from Gordon, said: "It's going to be difficult but if Tony wants us to have a go at patching things up, of course I'm ready to do anything I can."
Buoyed, if still not confident, I then arranged to have lunch with Gordon.
We met on a Wednesday in a crowded top-floor restaurant in Millbank, a few minutes' walk from Parliament.
Gordon was friendly, at least until I explained my mission.
"Make up with Peter?" he hissed in an angry whisper.
Then, as his voice gradually rose from dispatch-box volume to a near shout, he exclaimed: "Peter? He's been going around telling everyone that I'm gay! And I am NOT GAY!"
Dozens of people looked around in astonishment, no doubt assuming that I had tried, and thankfully failed, to proposition the Shadow Chancellor.

 

[goldenquagsire]

It's pretty interesting that in all sexual scandals I've seen up till now the liberals are always really boring (cheated on his wife with some lady again, yawn) and the conservatives get up to all kinds of crazy shit like crossdressing and strangling themselves. That's what I call a party.

we call that 'repression'. :D

Then, as his voice gradually rose from dispatch-box volume to a near shout, he exclaimed: "Peter? He's been going around telling everyone that I'm gay! And I am NOT GAY!"

oh god lol.

you've brightened up my afternoon. xD

 

[Harlequin]

In response to JT's gay stats above, the "gay lifestyle" is pretty hedonistic. Thankfully it's going out of style, a product of an earlier time where the sudden freedom led to a massive surge of faggotry.

Nowadays gays are pretty much just like our straight counterparts. Still really fucking promiscuous and hedonistic and all sorts of fucked up, but in the same ways as the straights! YEAH PROGRESS