Hunting.

[Tomatochu]

I just wanted to know if anyone else was a hunter. If you are, awesome. If your an anti-hunter that eats meat, save your hypocritical bullshit straw-man arguments for someone else.

 

[Zuu]

I don't see personally killing creatures for sport as equivalent to indirectly causing the death of animals for the sake of subsistence.

 

[Blastoise Fortooate]

Why would you start a thread just to anger your opponents and feel good when they get angry? Oh, right, you're trolling.

Although I hope the thread doesn't get locked, since this could garner some interesting discussion. I personally am pretty okay with/not in either support of or particularly against hunting as long as you're actually going to eat what you hunt and not just stick the head/antlers on the wall. Otherwise I don't really see anything redeemable about the sport/'sport'.

 

[Dannichu]

I used to go rockpooling when I was little. I was the best at it because I wasn't scared of the hermit crabs.

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[Mercy]

I've grown up in a whole family of hunters, but I myself never found any interest in it. (I don't think I could shoot any cute deer without feeling horrible for it afterward. ;-; ) However, my family doesn't hunt for sport, only for subsistence. Killing an animal just to hang it up as a trophy, in my opinion, is sick. But I also guess part of that is because I grew up in a native village and it is heavily taught that if you hunt an animal, it should be only for providing food for your family. So yeah, only for subsistence.

 

[Tomatochu]

You know just so people know I'm not trolling, I'm going to say what I believe.

First off: I eat everything I hunt. I personally like the taste of game more than prossesed meat.

Secondly: People who hunt purely for the mount do not deserve to hunt. They don't understand the true reason for hunting.

Third: Anti-hunter vegetarians are alright. The Anti-hunters who eat meat are hypocrites, and I'll tell you why. Because they think that tracking and earning your meal by shooting an animal is inhumaine, But they will go eat a steak from a cow that has spent it's whole life in a cage, being fed nothing but grain, not enjoying life. A deer however, has lived free for a while and hopefully has mated and left it's offspring in the world. The cow cant escape death, the deer can. If a deer sees you, it can run away. The cow is put on a truck and sent to a slaughter house to be sliced and ground up. I don't know about you, but I think hunting is alot more humaine.

Now I can see how people can not enjoy hunting. The first time I shot an animal, I kind of felt bad about it. And cleaning a deer is pretty messy. I wont go into detail but you get my drift. If you want to discuss hunting, do it here, If you want to argue about it do it in the Serious buisness threads.

 

[Blastoise Fortooate]

Oh, alright then, I apologize for presuming your trollitude, although next time you shouldn't just expect everyone to gang up on you unfairly. :/ We're generally pretty well-versed in debating etiquette around here.

 

[Tomatochu]

I used to go rockpooling when I was little. I was the best at it because I wasn't scared of the hermit crabs.

[/fearlesspredator]

I can't say I've heard of rockpooling. What do you do and how?

 

[Dannichu]

I was being silly; it's something children do at the seaside, catching small creatures left in rockpools when the tide goes out (usually putting said creatures in a bucket, showing them off for a bit, and putting them back after a while). It's the closest I've ever come to actually hunting.

 

[Superbird]

I personally like the taste of game more than prossesed meat.

That's why, if you don't hunt, you buy free-range meat.

 

[Aobaru]

*enter vegetarian*

Personally, I couldn't kill anything (brownies excepted). However, it's a free country and you have the right to hunt if you want to...

Yeah, and my whole family eats meat, and they're all like "Oh, I could never kill an animal" while scarfing down their country-fried steak/fried chicken/pork chops/etc.

 

[Tomatochu]

Yeah, and my whole family eats meat, and they're all like "Oh, I could never kill an animal" while scarfing down their country-fried steak/fried chicken/pork chops/etc.

So they're hypocrites then? Alot of people are. If you don't like hunting, thats alright. At least you're not against it.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

I think that like everyone else my opinion is that hunting for the sake of it (to get trophies or fox hunting or whatever) is completely retarded but yeah if you're going to eat the meat then whatever.

And yeah my family and I only buy free-range because processed meat is inhumane and also terrible quality and unhealthy.

 

[Sandstone-Shadow]

The Anti-hunters who eat meat are hypocrites, and I'll tell you why. Because they think that tracking and earning your meal by shooting an animal is inhumaine, But they will go eat a steak from a cow that has spent it's whole life in a cage, being fed nothing but grain, not enjoying life. A deer however, has lived free for a while and hopefully has mated and left it's offspring in the world. The cow cant escape death, the deer can. If a deer sees you, it can run away. The cow is put on a truck and sent to a slaughter house to be sliced and ground up. I don't know about you, but I think hunting is alot more humaine.

I think this paragraph contains a lot of stereotypes and a lot of generalizations. If you aren't an anti-hunter who eats meat, don't attempt to tell us what they think, because you aren't one and you don't know what they think. I am an anti-hunter and I eat meat. The reason I disagree with hunting is that we have an enormous, unfair advantage against the deer. They really can't see you - that's the point of camouflage, and if they do see you, then you can see them and at that point it's all over for them; we have guns that can kill them in a split second no matter how quickly they move. It's possible for them to escape, yes, but it's not as fair as a natural chase between predator and prey.

We also disrupt nature to preserve our precious hunting; we wipe out populations of predators, such as wolves, in order to remove competition for deer and moose, etc. This is weakening the herds; not only does it allow them to overpopulate because there aren't as many predators to control them, but predators such as wolves remove the old, sick, and weak from the deer population. This means that the strong are able to survive and pass their genes on. Without these predators that we're eliminating, the strongest don't necessarily survive; even the strongest deer can be easily killed with a gun.

And the fact remains that not all hunters hunt for food. There are still ones who hunt only for sport, and it's not fair to say that all anti-hunters who eat meat are hypocrites, because someone who is against hunting could very easily be against only sport hunting.

 

[Equinoxe]

I don't mind elk/deer hunting usually since huge elk populations = car crashes and the like which is a very nasty thing. :U And elk meat tastes pretty great, too.

BUT I really loathe most of the hunters here because they're (not all, mind you) retarded asshats who will pretty much shoot anything just for the sake of killing. They're also a threat to humans here; my uncle's (who lives across the street) car, which was parked in the yard, got a stray bullet from a rifle years back. That bullet could've hit someone driving along the road or someone just walking outside! Those fuckheads shouldn't be allowed guns if they don't think/aim before shooting. >:I


Shooting ducks and doves I really don't get; there's nothing to eat in them and they're cute and they definitely don't bother anyone :C

I also don't get those assholes who feed animals all summer and then kill them in the autumn when they're all used to humans. Yes, some people do that and it's such a dick thing to do and definitely takes any possible 'honor' out of hunting. :V

 

[Music Dragon]

I am an anti-hunter and I eat meat. The reason I disagree with hunting is that we have an enormous, unfair advantage against the deer. They really can't see you - that's the point of camouflage, and if they do see you, then you can see them and at that point it's all over for them; we have guns that can kill them in a split second no matter how quickly they move. It's possible for them to escape, yes, but it's not as fair as a natural chase between predator and prey.

... And this justifies your eating meat how, exactly?

 

[Dark Shocktail]

I eat free-range and I don't agree with hunting for sport. If it's dire and you need to eat, fine. If it's for any reason other than that, I personally would like to strip you of your weapons and see you go toe-to-toe with what you were hunting.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

To be fair, humans have evolved to have kind of shitty natural weapons/defences because our asset is our intelligence, so using weapons IS our way of attacking etc.
Though that does mean that technically hunters should make their own weapons to hunt which I wouldn't be against because it would open up possibilities of Hunter Weapon Making Contests which would be entertaining and cool.
Acutally, yeah, stop selling weapons, we should definitely endorse this.

Shooting ducks and doves I really don't get; there's nothing to eat in them and they're cute and they definitely don't bother anyone :C

You can't eat duck?

 

[Sandstone-Shadow]

... And this justifies your eating meat how, exactly?

I'm not trying to justify eating meat. For the record, I'm growing increasingly uncomfortable with eating meat for a variety of reasons. But that isn't the point of my post; the point of my post is that being against hunting and eating meat does not make you a hypocrite because there are other reasons to dislike hunting.

 

[Dannichu]

I'm the only vegetarian(/part-time vegan!) in my family, but they don't eat free-range, organic, unprocessed, all-singing-all-dancing meat because we can't afford it. :/

I don't know anybody who hunts, though; I'm reasonably sure nobody in the UK really hunts for sustinence, and there's almost universal disdain for the people who hunt foxes for fun.

Of course, I reckon the reason nobody here hunts is because nobody can be bothered to fill out all the paperwork required to actually get a gun in the first place.