Warriors Fan Club

[Shadowstar]

Okay, so in a fit of anger in which I sent a very long and angry rant to Flametail, I must ask a question of the Warriors fandom here.

But first, the background:
Both Flametail and I have extremely strong opinions, but because we're both normally pretty shy (me not so much as her, though) on Wands and Worlds (or perhaps it's fear of being banned?) we end up having these emotions bottled up until we explode into a huge long rant about what the hell is wrong with the Warriors fandom at whatever place we happen to be ranting at.

This time, it's Wands and Worlds. Now, normally I like that place, but as time has gone on the members there have grown awfully close-minded and extremely upfront about their opinions (which leads me to think "how the hell do you still like Warriors, if nearly /everything/ about it sucks in your eyes?"), and we... don't want to do anything about it for fear of being banned (there's a lot less tolerance for debate/arguments at Wands and Worlds than there is here; and besides, the people there are - in a sense of the word - my friends, because the community is a lot... closer than here, from my experience). So a few days ago, in a fit of bottled-up anger, I posted a message basically announcing my leave due to conflict and the fact that despite the friends I've made there I'm pretty secluded socially, leading me to be more loyal to my beliefs than my friends (except Flametail, but we share the same opinions so that's never an issue). Yeah.
I go there a couple times each day - logged out - to see what's going on, and I saw something today that pushed me over the edge.

First you should know just /what/ the conflicting topics are:
-A belief that outsiders shouldn't be taken into the Clan, and if they are, they're still not Clan cats and don't contribute anything to the Clan
-LeafxJay theory, which always causes conflict (and is actually forbidden from discussion there due to arguments - before you ask "who the hell still believes that the three /aren't/ their kits", the answer is... me)
-The new names (Willowshine, Poppyfrost, Honeyfern, Eclipse characters and Birchfall) all suck ass
-The book quality is going downhill
-Firestar's getting all "insane" for lack of a better word (people are waiting for him to die)
-General hatred of a majority of characters

What are your opinions on the above topics? The only reason Flametail and I fled here instead of leaving the 'net entirely after leaving Wands and Worlds is because you guys are a lot more open-minded and less disrespectful to opinions (am I a hypocrite for this?) and the series itself, but I still want to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,
Leafpool

*twich*FIRESTAR IS NOT INSANE EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T READ ECLIPSE IT's NOT IC FOR HIM! dskfhsdrdoi. Now that I've said that...

-Ahem... If clan cats are accepted to the clan, the rest of the clan has to accept them eventually, right? I mean look at Rusty/Firepaw/Fireheart/Firestar. He was a kittypet, now look at him, he's the leader of the ThunderClan.
-Stick to your belifs and hold true to them, it shouldn't be banned from disscussion anyway. Arguments are just debates and if flames appear, put 'em out by using nice words or calling a mod!=D
-HOW COULD YOU HATE MOST OF THE CHARRIES??? They're so... EPIC!XD
-Is not. Book quality is getting better.=p
-Do not, new names are awsome.(wait "Willowshine? YAY THAT MEANS MOONSHINE IS A WARRIOR NAME!=D)
-Firestar=insane thery is crack. Not the good kind.*crushes that fic on FF.net*

You're welcome, Shadowstar.(Mind giving me the link???)

 

[shadow_lugia]

I agree. They should just shut the hell up and just say that they don't like the series anymore, then leave. It's not that hard. I don't really object to them saying the reasons they don't really like it anymore, but they should really just say it and be done.

 

[Autumn]

-Stick to your belifs and hold true to them, it shouldn't be banned from disscussion anyway. Arguments are just debates and if flames appear, put 'em out by using nice words or calling a mod!=D

1. There aren't any mods, it was the (sole) admin that banned the discussion.
2. I'm usually the cause of these arguments and I take every opportunity I can to do it, unfortunately. v.v

Warriors going downhill
Names. Moar names (ctrl + F Lionblaze). Even moar names. The epitome of name criticizing.

Notice one specific member who speaks so loudly against the names?

 

[Shadowstar]

No mods? Oh and...

1st link:Wolf...
2nd:Wolf...
3rd:Wolf again...
4th:Uhh.. Must I say it?

Why don't you just dissappear(like I did Serebii) and post your opinions here? Closed minded=A waste of time.^^;

 

[Autumn]

No mods? Oh and...

1st link:Wolf...
2nd:Wolf...
3rd:Wolf again...
4th:Uhh.. Must I say it?

Why don't you just dissappear(like I did Serebii) and post your opinions here? Closed minded=A waste of time.^^;

That's what I did (disappear).

And you're right on the money about the poster. You can see why I get so worked up.

 

[Flametail von Karma]

[insert all of Leafy's posts here] So yes. That's basically what's going on with the Warriors fandom. We don't enjoy it very much, as you can see. And if you think that's bad, wait till you see Warrior's Wish. Biggest Warriors fansite in the world, and the one place where there is no appreciation for the series. When I first met Leafpool, somehow WW was brought up, and she told me she hated it. Back then I was like "Why? D:" but now I don't think I like it nearly as much as she does, and, as stated earlier, she hates it. xDx

Oh, and Lakey (yes I did just call you that now deal with it), I wouldn't say that there are no mods. How could you possibly forget Magic? xD

Oh yeah. The link to the shippin' thread was posted by younger!Flamey. Most of those beliefs still stand, but I'd word them differently now. x_x

 

[Autumn]

Oh, and Lakey (yes I did just call you that now deal with it), I wouldn't say that there are no mods. How could you possibly forget Magic? xD

I didn't forget him, he's also an admin. 8D

And no, I do not like Warriors Wish. Which basically means we both hate it. (the fandom on the forums, not the actual site)

 

[Flametail von Karma]

Yes, but you said one admin. SO THERE >D

Aaand, to keep this remotely on topic, this is the best of the best amongst the Warriors fandom.

 

[Autumn]

Aaand, to keep this remotely on topic, this is the best of the best amongst the Warriors fandom.

^ This. Congratulations, guys, you've just earned the title of "Best Warriors Fandom on the 'Net".

... *will stop babbling on about the fandom now*

 

[Spoon]

I find it amusing that they call themselves fans when criticizing the series seems like an objective. I sort of understand the frustration with the names, but if you consider naming a lot of kittens, it only seems senible that the names won't be the same, because there's only so many times when you can use 'claw, 'pelt, 'tail, 'whisker, 'flower and other suffixes without it beinging predictable to the extreme. I like what they've done with the series an entire Clan withdrawing their faith in StarClan, an awesomely named cat, Sol, who has the mysterious aura, and the origin of the Clans, Tribe, and other group of cats, I'm excited to read this series to the end.

 

[Autumn]

(I like posting after every post made in this topic, don't I? 8D)

I find it amusing that they call themselves fans when criticizing the series seems like an objective. I sort of understand the frustration with the names, but if you consider naming a lot of kittens, it only seems senible that the names won't be the same, because there's only so many times when you can use 'claw, 'pelt, 'tail, 'whisker, 'flower and other suffixes without it beinging predictable to the extreme.

The funny thing is that they have reused names. There's two Ashfurs, two Ivytails, two Snaketails, possibly two Kestrelwings, two Mudclaws (unless Lizardstripe's mate is the WindClan Mudclaw and not a ShadowClan Mudclaw), and then two Shrewpaws (if the SC one doesn't get his warrior name, anyway), and two Blossomkits (one will probably at least become an apprentice, though). 8D

And yes, I cannot fathom why the heck they still consider themselves fans. There was one member who seemed to dislike the majority of the cats in the series and completely hated most, if not all, outsiders (racism and prejudice~ it's actually quite hypocritical because her favorite cats are Scourge, Cloudtail, Brokentail, Tigerstar, Hawkfrost and Jaypaw. Spotting a connection here?) and Flametail, another member (if you're wondering, Flamey, it's Squirrely) and I were all puzzled as to the depth of her fandom. I think I asked her about it once, though I don't remember the response. xD

 

[Mad MOAI]

Please someone explain to Darksong that Leafpool does NOT have kits.

It never said in the book that she gave birth to kits, plus she wasn't away with Crowfeather long enough to mate.

EXPLAIN THAT TO HER. She's all "believe what you want."

 

[Autumn]

Please someone explain to Darksong that Leafpool does NOT have kits.

Um, about that...

I don't believe the theory, but there's now a very popular theory (LeafxJay by Wands and Worlds, JayLeafCrow by other places) that, during the night Leafpool left the Clan with Crowfeather, she... um... got pregnant. You know what I mean. 8D

Hints as to this theory:
"... and even slender Leafpool was looking quite plump." - Sunset
-Squirrelflight's milk did not come
-The kits were born outside the hollow (Yellowfang, anyone?)
-Jaypaw's warrior name is to be

Spoiler: name

Jayfeather

.
-Jaypaw has the same resentful, grumpy attitude as Crowfeather.
-Jaypaw is gray with blue eyes, like Crowfeather.
-Hollypaw is black, which is quite close to gray.
-

Spoiler: name

Hollyleaf.

-Squirrelflight feels awkward around Crowfeather -- an awkwardness which, to quote, "strengthed as Crowfeather went on, 'Do your kits always wander off by themselves?'"
-During Outcast, when Jaypaw leaves for the mountains, you can clearly see that Leafpool is quite miserable.
-There are various points in Po3 (most noticeable in The Sight) where Leafpool seems to bear a little more emotion than she should for Jaypaw and Hollypaw, even with them being her nephew/niece.
-StarClan clearly know something, as well -- just reread the prologue of Eclipse!

There are more, but I can't be bothered to go dig them up now.

 

[shadow_lugia]

>.> Well I believe it too. All those quotes are awfully suspiscious, especially how in Outcast Hollypaw asks her supposed-mother Squirrelflight if she has to have kits because she's a she-cat, and how she stood it, then "something stirs in her eyes." Plus I sometimes feel that Leafpool acts more like a mother to Jaypaw than a mentor.

 

[Darksong]

It's true. Believe what you want. I'm not forcing you to think the same way as me. There's nothing wrong with thinking that the theory is true.
But Leafpool does have a point.

 

[Vriska Serket]

There's also a slightly suspicious little point in Outcast on the journey, (I think?) where Hollypaw (Again, I think it was Hollypaw...) says, "I'm glad he isn't my father," or something along those lines, referring to Crowfeather. Plus, if popular opinion is correct and Breezepaw is the "Fourth Apprentice" reffered to in the title of the fourth series, all four of the main characters would be related should the theory be true. :D?

 

[Keltena]

My opinion on the matter?

Be. Respectful. Of other. People.

AND

They're. Just. Freakin'. Books.

...yeah.

Personally, I love JayLeafCrow or whatever it's called, not because I believe it but because I just think it's awesome that people form insane fan-theories like that (that's why I like crack pairings so much.) Fandom is a wonderful thing -- don't ruin it plz? :3

 

[Tailsy]

Well I think that Jaypaw is the son of Bluestar and Blackstar.

THERE.
THAT'S MY THEORY. :D

also mark spoilers of names for the love of /god/ not EVERYONE has read Eclipse yet

 

[Autumn]

also mark spoilers of names for the love of /god/ not EVERYONE has read Eclipse yet

Oh, right. 8D *goes to edit*

Fandom is a wonderful thing -- don't ruin it plz? :3

Actually, the Warriors fandom sucks everywhere except here; you should know that by now. *nod*

 

[Keltena]

Actually, the Warriors fandom sucks everywhere except here; you should know that by now. *nod*

Because they're DOING IT WRONG D:

...actually, I'm not familiar with Warriors fandom anywhere else, but judging from what you said...