Homosexuality

[Harlequin]

yeah but see

the word of christ was aimed at jews, not gentiles

plus if those parts are wrong because it was written "1500" years ago then um

isn't the rest of it?

 

[Aobaru]

plus if those parts are wrong because it was written "1500" years ago then um

isn't the rest of it?

Not necessarily. However, there are certain cultural changes that have taken place. Women are more equal to men now than they were in the 100s. Slavery in developed countries is virtually illegal.

However, things from the Bible like capital punishment are still around today.

And, yes, capital punishment originated from Bible times.

Well, anyway, that's my attempt to get my point across.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

http://www.womenpriests.org/scriptur/timothy.asp
http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2006/12/02/what-does-1-timothy-211-15-mean/

Thanks for those sites made by women who want to be priests but the Bible says that they can't be so um sucks to be them :v

http://www.leithart.com/archives/001595.php

That passage is talking about the requirements to be a preist.

Genuine thanks because I didn't know that, but there are many priests who wear glasses or have limps or whatever.
Also they should be allowed to have testicular problem since they're never going to use them :v

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states "men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies ... must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

I think it says not to have gay sex. I don't think it says not to have gay relationships.

That's nice of them, but I think that if two men or two women are in love they shouldn't be ostracized for having sex with each other.

Not necessarily. However, there are certain cultural changes that have taken place. Women are more equal to men now than they were in the 100s. Slavery in developed countries is virtually illegal.

However, things from the Bible like capital punishment are still around today.

And, yes, capital punishment originated from Bible times.

Well, anyway, that's my attempt to get my point across.

So should we start ignoring passages of the Bible as time progresses? I'd support this wholeheartedly but I'm not sure that's what you're saying.

Also thanks for staying and replying instead of running when people present counter-arguments e.g. Tropiking or Time Psyduck.

 

[Eevee]

Not necessarily. However, there are certain cultural changes that have taken place. Women are more equal to men now than they were in the 100s. Slavery in developed countries is virtually illegal.

Okay, so we should listen to the Bible except when our culture has decided not to? In other words, do what the Bible says unless we don't want to?

What, exactly, is the point of the Bible then?

 

[Aobaru]

Okay, so we should listen to the Bible except when our culture has decided not to? In other words, do what the Bible says unless we don't want to?

What, exactly, is the point of the Bible then?

This is a complicated thing to explain.

In short, the modern Bible isn't God's direct word. Obviously, English wasn't spoken 2000+ years ago. The original one, written by Moses, etc., was in Hebrew. It was then translated to Greek, then Latin, then a whole lot of other languages before finally being translated into English.

The modern Bible grasps the main idea of the original texts. Here is an example:

Does the Bible condemn gay sex?
The Bible doesn't discuss gay feelings, but it does discuss gay sex. There are only a handful of passages which mention same-gender sexual relationships, and all of them are negative.

There are basically two ways to interpret these passages, and gay Christians are divided on which is the appropriate one.

One view holds that the Bible does condemn gay sex, and that gay Christians should commit themselves to lifelong celibacy. This is the predominant view in the Roman Catholic Church, for example.

The other view holds that the Bible condemns certain sexual practices - including the homosexual sex rites of ancient pagan idol worship - but that God blesses a loving, monogamous, Christ-centered, same-sex marriage.

Focusing on the bold text. When the modern Bible says, Do not lay with a man as you would a woman, the Hebrew Bible could have said something totally different. For example, nearly all of Lev. 18 is condemning pagan sexual acts - i.e. incest and bestiality - though it doesn't say it there explicitly.

The Bible condemns some types of sexual behavior, and it condemns lust of any sort (whether heterosexual or homosexual). But nowhere does the Bible discuss same-sex attractions or how to live as a Christian if you have gay feelings.

The bottom line is this: Jesus said love is pure. I believe that includes homosexual love, as well. If you love someone, no one should stop you.

 

[Eevee]

In short, the modern Bible isn't God's direct word. Obviously, English wasn't spoken 2000+ years ago. The original one, written by Moses, etc., was in Hebrew.

I am aware of this, but it is completely irrelevant. I asked why changes in cultural attitudes should affect commands in the Bible. If the taboo against adultery fades with time, should Christians ignore that commandment?

And if so, what the hell is the point of the Bible?

When the modern Bible says, Do not lay with a man as you would a woman, the Hebrew Bible could have said something totally different.

The original Hebrew actually did not quite make grammatical sense, iirc.

But nowhere does the Bible discuss same-sex attractions or how to live as a Christian if you have gay feelings.

Of course. Such a thing did not socially exist at the time.

 

[Cyndaquil]

*Scans over text quickly ok......
I just gotta say that everyone should be treated equally and I AM A CHRISTIAN(That felt good) but the bible also goes against homosexuality or is it just that another way to say that you should respect them because that Jesus treated gentiles and sinners as equals but I don't know. Homosexuality still doesn't seem right to me.

 

[Eevee]

man what is with the influx of theists lately :V

 

[Alexi]

Goddidit

 

[GameFreakerZero]

Homosexuality still doesn't seem right to me.

Why?

Not to mention if you were just saying how you think homosexuals should be treated equally, why should they not receive the same 'seeming rightness' that heterosexuality seems to get?

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

Not to mention if you were just saying how you think homosexuals should be treated equally, why should they not receive the same 'seeming rightness' that heterosexuality seems to get?

he's sarah palin

 

[Dannichu]

Eh. The idea of heterosexual sex disgusts me, but that doesn't mean I don't think they should have fewer rights.

Like I can't understand why people would want to eat red peppers; the thought of it sickens me, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with other people who do enjoy eating it. I'd just prefer it if they didn't do it right in front of me DX

I don't know why I have to use food metaphors for everything.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

jeez i don't mind thos homaseckshuals but do they have to throw it in our FACES

 

[surskitty]

*Scans over text quickly ok......
I just gotta say that everyone should be treated equally and I AM A CHRISTIAN(That felt good) but the bible also goes against homosexuality or is it just that another way to say that you should respect them because that Jesus treated gentiles and sinners as equals but I don't know. Homosexuality still doesn't seem right to me.

FIRST OFF why are you expecting that everyone follow your own moral code dictated by a quite-old book that has been translated and mistranslated many times? If it doesn't have anything to do with you and everyone involved is consenting, leave them the hell alone. Does it have anything to do with you if there are guys that like kissing other guys and girls that like kissing other girls?


Also, I don't see how the hell you can say that everyone should be treated equally and then immediately contradict that by saying that homosexuality seems wrong to you.

 

[Vyraura]

Because he's basing his arguments on an inherently flawed book.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

I kind of wish the Bible and all other rligious texts had never been written and theists would only be all 'i believe someone created us but apart from that shrug shrug' and atheists would be all 'that's cool man i don't but we can be buddies because we are not so different!' but no.

 

[Aobaru]

Also, I don't see how the hell you can say that everyone should be treated equally and then immediately contradict that by saying that homosexuality seems wrong to you.

Someone can think something is wrong but still think the people that do it should be treated equally.

If they think it's wrong, that's their personal opinion.

But, thinking they should be treated equally is how they think society should treat them. Basically, it's two separate things.

Also, how come you all are treating us like shit, when we said that we embrace homosexuality. Instead of putting us down, you should be congratulating us for seeing past mindless prejudice for people that are gay.

I just don't get it.

 

[Zhorken]

Your personal opinion is mindless prejudice, regardless of what actions, or lack thereof, it spurs.

 

[Eevee]

If they think it's wrong, that's their personal opinion.

But, thinking they should be treated equally is how they think society should treat them. Basically, it's two separate things.

1. These positions are inconsistent. If something is morally wrong, it should be illegal. You either have a horrendous moral sense or are just flat-out confusing "squicking" with "ethics".
2. This is a social problem in the first place because of the pervasive ~personal opinion~ that homosexuality is wrong, and agreeing with that just validates it. If you think it's wrong, you are still part of the problem.

Try envisioning this entire situation as if you were me, except instead of orientation it's about something equally stupid like eye color.
"Well, I think having your color eyes is evil, but everyone should still try to treat you the same!"

Instead of putting us down, you should be congratulating us for seeing past mindless prejudice for people that are gay.

You shouldn't have the prejudice in the first place. Why should you get congratulated for not quite thinking the wrong thing?

Good job, Billy! You got a D+! You're not quite failing!

 

[Icalasari]

You shouldn't have the prejudice in the first place. Why should you get congratulated for not quite thinking the wrong thing?

Good job, Billy! You got a D+! You're not quite failing!

Eevee, you must remember, this IS Religion you are talking about. So them accepting homosexuality somewhat is more like, "Good job Billy! Your grade just went from a 0% to a 51%! Now you can take off your dunce cap and join the rest of the class!"